Shorthanded $400 Plo8 Hand

[moneytoburn 0]

Game # 99169097: Omaha H/L Pot Limit ($2/$4) 03/05/2006 14:52:45Table "Craven Hill Gardens" (Real Money) Seat 8 is the buttonSeat 2: kamsdad ($52.70)Seat 3: Dim ($1195.08)Seat 5: moneytoburn ($490.80)Seat 8: RayZ ($879.25) [button]Seat 9: Racht ($370.42)Racht: posts small blind $2kamsdad: posts big blind $4>>> HOLE CARDS <<<Dealt to moneytoburn [6d Ac 4s 3h]Dim: calls $4moneytoburn: calls $4RayZ: foldsRacht: calls $2kamsdad: checks>>> FLOP <<< [Qh 7h 5d]Racht: bets $16kamsdad: calls $16Dim: foldsmoneytoburn: calls $16>>> TURN <<< [Qh 7h 5d] [2s]Racht: bets $64kamsdad: calls $32.70 and is all-inmoneytoburn???????Game is really wild, lots of money moving around.What is play here?

[Vman96 0]

Your hand looks great, but the only drawback is that is only has high potential. If you don't hit, the best that you'll get is half the pot. You're an equity dog if your opponent holds A3xx believe it or not because he most certainly have you outkicked for high. However if your opponent does not...you're definitely an equity favorite as now you'll freeroll to the high. The probability of him being dealt A3 will be less than 6.4% since you hold A3 as well. With this in mind...I don't have a problem with you re-potting it. If he has A3, that's bad luck and you'll have to depend on your numerous outs.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I think raising would have more merit if you had any fold equity, but with someone all in - you're going to have to improve to what will generally be the nut high in order to scoop. If/when you do, i would want the other guy involved.I also dont like opening action with a hand (plus draw) this strong to someone who could repot it with something that quarters us when we miss.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

My initial thought was to just call because I thought the SB might had A3. If you had read that SB will bet out only on low draws out of position on the flop then it's correct to call because he might had a little as a pair + A3 (or A3 but had a better kicker) which could get you quartered if you didn't improve, but if you improved on the river you could pot it and I am pretty sure SB will call it because most likely he couldn't put you on nutlow + redraws, and in SH players are less likely to let go their made low.But when I saw SB lead on the flop and turn and BB also called, I think it's more correct to raise, you had A,3,4,6, and 8 to improve (hopefully no hearts), and I became doubful that SB had A3. I would min-raise it to $128. If improved, you can pot, and if not then you could check behind. What if SB pot me back on the turn? I would be gladly to call with the rest of my chips.The more important question is to review what SB had? If on the flop he had a low draw+ a pair or low draw+flush draw then his line is ok, but if all he had was a low draw then you can put him in the buddy list.

[KVOM 0]

If you call there will be about $200 in the pot. If you don't improve on the river and SB pots, you will be in for $284 and can lose at most half. So your worst case scenario is $-142. SB may have QQ rather than A3, in which case you get half. If you improve to a straight for high you may either scoop or get 3/4 of a big pot.My inclination is to call here and on the river if no improvement, and pot if I do improve.SB might have something like A24x and be trying to steal here as well.

[Abbaddabba 0]

But when I saw SB lead on the flop and turn and BB also called, I think it's more correct to raise, you had A,3,4,6, and 8 to improve (hopefully no hearts), and I became doubful that SB had A3. I would min-raise it to $128. If improved, you can pot, and if not then you could check behind. What if SB pot me back on the turn? I would be gladly to call with the rest of my chips.

Calling is better than folding, but you'd rather he not repot if he has a hand that clearly warrants it. If you think you have value, pot it. Minraising gives him the opportunity to play back at you with hands that are quartering you and allows him to just call with hands that you're free rolling against.I dont know about calling a pot bet on the river without a shot at high. If he's completely nuts, then i guess you have to. And im equally weary about calling a pot bet on the river if the board completes a flush, gives you a straight - but doesnt counterfeit the existing A3 low (ie: 6 of hearts).But i suck at this. So take what im saying with a grain of salt.

[Rocketwadster 0]

Calling on the turn - Right now, your calling $64 to win hopefully at least half of $160.7, which is $80.35. If UI, you may face a bet of $224.70, which if UI, will be tough to call IMO. Raising on the turn - Potting it back to him, or min-raising, will both give you the information that you need. Both will most likely pot commit you regardless of the action back to you (he pushes on the turn, or on the river). Folding on the turn - minimal money invested so far on this hand ($20). I wouldn't fault anyone for folding here looking for more of an edge.I dislike calling the most, as you will have a tough decision on the river UI. Raising seems best but with risk. I have no idea what to do...lol