Scary River While Holding Trips... Call Or Fold?

[cheetaking 0]

PokerStars Game #4155202317: Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/03/02 - 21:49:39 (ET)Table 'Castalia IV' Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: ($17.40 in chips) Seat 2: ($13.25 in chips) Seat 3: Villain ($26.75 in chips) Seat 5: ($26.35 in chips) Seat 6: cheetaking ($25.50 in chips) Seat 7: ($17.10 in chips) Seat 8: ($31.65 in chips) Seat 9: ($10.20 in chips) Player Notes on Villain: "very tight, grinder, passive. tries to keep pot sizes low without high and low."Seat 5: posts small blind $0.10cheetaking: posts big blind $0.25*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to cheetaking [Jd 9h 5h Js]Seat 7: calls $0.25Seat 8: calls $0.25Seat 9: calls $0.25Seat 1: folds Seat 2: calls $0.25Villain: calls $0.25Seat 5: calls $0.15cheetaking: checks*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Jc]I've flopped the second nut high, so I figure that I need to bet the pot in order to keep people from hitting anything stupid. But then, 4 players call and I am now simply praying that nobody hits one of their draws.Seat 5: checks cheetaking: bets $1.70Seat 7: calls $1.70Seat 8: calls $1.70Seat 9: calls $1.70Seat 1: folds Villain: calls $1.70mneilcihsos: folds *** TURN *** [7 :icon_suit_diamond: Q :icon_suit_club: J :icon_suit_club:] [4 :icon_suit_diamond:]That 4 couldn't have possibly helped anyone, so I decide to make another pot bet to try and get rid of the chasers one last time. But, once again, nobody folds. With 2 clubs, 2 daimonds, and Q/J out there, now I'm just hoping that either the board pairs or the river is the 2 of hearts.cheetaking: bets $9.75Seat 7: calls $9.75Seat 8: calls $9.75Seat 9: calls $8.25 and is all-inVillain: calls $9.75*** RIVER *** [7 :icon_suit_diamond: Q :icon_suit_club: J :icon_suit_club:] [4 :icon_suit_diamond:] [9 :icon_suit_spade:]Well, that card wasn't a complete disaster... but it looked pretty bad to me, filling 3 possible straight draws. I hope that we can just check it down, so I check.cheetaking: checks Seat 7: checks Seat 8: checks Villain: bets $15.05 and is all-incheetaking: ?What should I do? I've got trip jacks, but now someone who has called me twice after 3 other players has randomly gone all-in. There is no possible low, so I'm either making one heck of a huge call, or a laydown that could cost me $50. Please reply, any help is welcomed.

[powerpoker 0]

i would have to fold this on the river...you made two pot bets and people were still calling which means they were most likely on draws and since the flush got there and all the straights could possilby hit you have to fold the river.you also said that the villan was a tight player who only plays nut hands and since the flush got there it leads me to believe that he has the nut high in this case. I dont see how anyone could bet this on the end unless they had the flush.

[dimseven 0]

Flush didnt get thereJust sayinI misread too

[Chamonyx 0]

Given your read on Villain, I think you have to fold here. This hand demonstrates very well the importance of position. With this in mind, a better way to play it would be to check the flop, wait for the flush draw to bet (which they will) and then max-re-raise when it comes round to you. You would like to be able to get all-in by betting out on the turn if no club comes - so you can negate the positional disadvantage.As it was, there is no point betting out on the turn....if they all called the flop, they will certainly call the turn (in ripple fashion) with 2 flush draws there. You could again hope to max-raise someone here, but note that THERE IS ONLY ONE CARD LEFT IN THE DECK THAT IS NOT A SCARE CARD FOR YOU ON THE RIVER!

[wsox8 10]

so what happened?

[moneytoburn 0]

Do you guys like the lead on flop here? I more often then not check raise in this spot.If checked around, I don't think I am loosing that much value as the times like this when I bet and get everybody calling building odds to draw out on me on further streets.EDIT* As usual ChamonyX already said it

[cheetaking 0]

I don't know if anyone even cares about this topic anymore, but I figured I'd post the results...I cringed, and I folded my trip jacks.Only one person called the raise from the Villain.Villain revealed A/2/7/7... a set of sevens and a busted nut low draw. The other player mucked, and I felt sick because I had just thrown away the biggest pot of the entire night.