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Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $.25 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxMP3 ($9.85)CO ($13.65)Button ($25.15)SB ($29.60)BB ($10.20)UTG ($24.75)Hero ($33.45)MP1 ($19.50)MP2 ($12.45)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7 :icon_suit_heart: , 3 :icon_suit_club: , A :icon_suit_club: , 4 :icon_suit_club: .1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.Flop: ($1.35) 2 :icon_suit_heart: , 8 :icon_suit_spade: , 5 :icon_suit_heart: (5 players)BB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP3 raises to $2.6, Button raises to $4.95, BB folds, Hero calls $4.70, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $2.35.Turn: ($16.70) K :icon_suit_club: (3 players)Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button bets $16.7, Hero calls $16.70, MP3 calls $4.65 (All-In).Alright, I want to know how I played this hand. It DEFINITELY looks like im getting quartered or worse for the low from the action on the flop, and the pot is small so I thought folding was an option. However, the more I thought about it, the more I liked my hand since I would have the nut low if an ace or 3 comes on the turn or river and counterfeits someones A3xx. I also have some straight draws for the high which count for about 5 outs or so if we eliminate the hearts since they will be dirty most of the time. What would you guys do here, I know this hand is pretty tricky! I don't really have any reads, I'm pretty new to the table. Do I have enough possibilities to improve to risk getting quartered or worse? Am I an idiot for even asking? Is my hand really strong to where I should be the aggressor? These are the situations I need to improve in my Omaha/8b game. I'm always pretty lost, and not sure if I should be folding, calling, or raising in these types of situations.I edited out the river since it really is unnecessary. Button has $3.25 left after his turn bet, if I improve, I plan to push him all in on the river, If I don't improve, I will check/call.Also, is my preflop call pretty bad?

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I'm a newbie, so take this for what it is worth...You are in bad position, with a slightly better than mediocre hand before the flop. I could fold that hand and not worry about it, OR, depending on the table, I could play it. You ended up seeing a flop for cheap, which is always nice with a hand that has a lot of potential.The flop is where I have trouble. Right now, you have an uncounterfeightable low, so you are guaranteed at least part of half of the pot, PLUS you have outs for the other half also. Unfortunately, you have a raise and a re-raise after you, signifying at least one hand that has fairly good potential (most likely the same low as you). If you call the re-raise, you don't know if the betting is finished, as the raiser may raise the re-raise. This is the make or break point for you I believe. If you call, be prepared to go all the way with this hand. If you fold, move on. I would probably call as well.Turn and river I agree with.Look at decisions, not results. :club:

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Pre-Flop: Call is fine. I would sometimes open raise here.Flop: This is a great flop for you - uncounterfeitable low and a wheel wrap, with only the flush to worry about. The only hand you are concerned about is A3h. You must max-raise here to:1. Drive out the nut flush draw with no low2. Drive out the non-nut flush draws3. Reduce your risk of getting 1/4d.Turn: Pot it - make the flush draw pay if he has no low.By playing this hand passively and letting 3 players show down, you are almost certainly costing yourself money unless you hit your wheel.

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Player dependent.If you know that one of the players have A3 and will not fold even taking the risk of getting 1/4ed, then you better keep the pot low. When you hit you will sure get paid off, when you don't hit you can reduce the impact (at least you've tried) of being quartered.What types of players are MP3 and button? Could one of them be holding say a set and one of them holding A3 (you gotta give them credits for raise and reraise)? Are at least one of them rock? Could they have A3 with flush redraw?Could one of them be (re)raising with just A3?How did they play before? Did they play with junk hands? Did they over bet their hands before?If you can read that button only had A3 and he raised with nut low only before, and since MP3 was short-stacked, it's ok to repot.If you have no read on both of them, and since you were at the $25 level where anything could happen and one of them was short stacked, I would say it's safe to just call. You called so that hopefully there will be 4 players in the pot, if you get 1/4ed you won't be losing much when you are not improved.When you have no read, remember that you are OOP, and you only committed .50 so far, you just can't assume players are raising with draws, you gotta give them credit and assume that it's you who had the drawing hands to scoop. What happen when you are drawing? Try to make you draws cheap. Don't worry that you won't get paid off when you hit, they are committed, not you!

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Getting a lot of different replies here. I'm still not sure what to think. Everytime I get quartered and lose the high here, which is most times, I'm losing money. No one thinks I should fold the flop? I gave more thought to it last night and thought this may have been a hand to fold. Still confused, I'm retarded...

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You do have a low but it's probably only good for 1/4 at best given the action, and your straight draw(s) are significantly devalued because of the two hearts on the flop. Remember, you're out of position. You currently have nothing for the high, and you don't want to commit serious money before seeing a turn or river card. When the others start raising you need to be able to make this tough laydown when it comes back around to you.

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TGoldMan, I cross-posted this hand at the twoplustwo forums, and you replied there that I should be aggressive with this hand and get as much money in the pot as possible. But here you say I need to make a laydown? It's the same hand.

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TGoldMan, I cross-posted this hand at the twoplustwo forums, and you replied there that I should be aggressive with this hand and get as much money in the pot as possible. But here you say I need to make a laydown? It's the same hand.
Yes, therein lies the conundrum.
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Getting a lot of different replies here. I'm still not sure what to think. Everytime I get quartered and lose the high here, which is most times, I'm losing money. No one thinks I should fold the flop? I gave more thought to it last night and thought this may have been a hand to fold. Still confused, I'm retarded...
I think folding here is an option but I think calling is better. Theorectically hero had 9 cleans out (two non-heart Aces, 3s, 4s, and three non-heart 6s), if he called, he might get the 4th guy(MP1) stay in the pot then he's getting a very good price to stay. I think even with just 3 players on the turn, he's getting the right odds to play as well.There will be 4 and only 4 outcomes.1. Hero get 1/4ed.2. Hero will win half of the pot.3. Hero will win 3/4 of the pot.4. Hero scoops.Case 1, if hero gets 1/4'd, he doesn't want to raise the pot, he wants to keep the pot low and hopefully the 4th player with A4 or some high hands or something like that to stay.Case 2. Hero wins 1/2 of the pot, it means only hero have A3, so he wants as many players stay as possible to extract more value.Case 3, hero wins 3/4 of the pot, as I've mentioned before, hero will still win a fairly decent pot because his opponents are very unlikely to fold when hero hits given the pot size and his villains' actions.Case 4, very unlikely.The question is should hero fold on the flop or call, I will say call because I believe that if our OP posts his opponents' hands and we run the results at 2dimes.net then hero's hand should have the right odds to call. When shit happens, shit happens, move on to the next hand and don't tilt!
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[ I think folding here is an option but I think calling is better. Theorectically hero had 9 cleans out (two non-heart Aces, 3s, 4s, and three non-heart 6s), if he called, he might get the 4th guy(MP1) stay in the pot then he's getting a very good price to stay. I think even with just 3 players on the turn, he's getting the right odds to play as well.There will be 4 and only 4 outcomes.1. Hero get 1/4ed.2. Hero will win half of the pot.3. Hero will win 3/4 of the pot.4. Hero scoops.Case 1, if hero gets 1/4'd, he doesn't want to raise the pot, he wants to keep the pot low and hopefully the 4th player with A4 or some high hands or something like that to stay.Case 2. Hero wins 1/2 of the pot, it means only hero have A3, so he wants as many players stay as possible to extract more value.Case 3, hero wins 3/4 of the pot, as I've mentioned before, hero will still win a fairly decent pot because his opponents are very unlikely to fold when hero hits given the pot size and his villains' actions.Case 4, very unlikely.The question is should hero fold on the flop or call, I will say call because I believe that if our OP posts his opponents' hands and we run the results at 2dimes.net then hero's hand should have the right odds to call. When shit happens, shit happens, move on to the next hand and don't tilt!
I'm sorry, but I think calling is horrible - you end up making it easy for some jerk with 34s to see the turn and then free-roll you when an A comes (or some variation on the theme).You raise this flop to try to isolate precisely to move the probabilities of your expected distribution from 1&2 to 3&4.If you are up against A3s, you are a slight dog (45/55). Against A4s you are 63/47 favorite. However if you let another A3 play along your equity drops to 35%.
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However if you let another A3 play along your equity drops to 35%.I think even you put a gun on the A3 guy's head and he won't fold. It's not a raise, either a fold or call. They won't be raising with nothing...
I agree completely with JacKing-off (both literally and figuratively...lol). At these levels, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that another ace 3 is going to fold IMO.I see you changed your 3 outcomes to 4 outcomes (was that in response to my inquiry?). Even though it may seem slim, the chance for a scoop should not be discounted (come on offsuit 6!).
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