80% Of The Members Of This Forum Are....

[Guest duece800]

losing players, without a doubt. I'm been nice by saying only 80%, i'm sure if we actually had some stats to back it up, the number would be higher.

[Kangaroo 0]

and?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

and?

..that's representative of the internet poker community as a whole.I don't remember the exact statistic, but, it was something like, only 15% of people on PartyPoker actually won money in X year.

[Guest duece800]

thanks drawingdead. It was meant for this forum alone, but i'm sure that the number I stated is the actual percentage of online winning players in the long run. I really wonder what % FCP is...I guess we will never know

[Kangaroo 0]

thats alot for the whole internet community

[HoosierAlum 0]

Is that 10 8?

[scottyno 0]

i feel special then

[davezz5 0]

losing players, without a doubt. I'm been nice by saying only 80%, i'm sure if we actually had some stats to back it up, the number would be higher.

What kind of response are you looking for in regarding this statement?

[looshle 6]

I'm part of the 80% Dont be shy everyone, just admit it

[allinbluff35 0]

I'm part of the 80% Dont be shy everyone, just admit it

i'm starting to believe I am one.

[llou 0]

Thank you for helping me feel good about myself. I may only play the micro limit games ... but at least I am among the 20% ... having turned a 400% profit in the 10 months I have been playing. llou

[digitalmonkey 929]

74% of statistics are made up.

[No_Neck 0]

i'm starting to believe I am one.

yeah me too.

[doublemeup 0]

your point?

[Mandelbrot 0]

Losing based on what time frame? Week? Month? Last night? And I assume you are defining losing as makes less money than puts in. And I assume you are referring to cash games or tournies also? And if Joe Hachem never wins another poker game in his life, that would still probably make him a winning player right?And I won't go into how you determined the 80%, though I have to say I think it's closer to 83.47%.

[princeof56k 0]

The number I've seen the most is that for any given year the number of players that finished in the black was about 8-10%. This number came from reporters who have actually interviewed people who run internet poker rooms. Also keep in mind, that the given number counts anyone who made any kind of profit. So if you made a profit of 1 penny for the given year, you qualify. In most of the articles I've read, they even state that the vast majority of the "winning" 8-10% isnt making any where near enough to quit their day job. They're just barely getting by.As for people who post on this site... To say that 20% of the people that post here are winners seems overly optimistic. Looking at our community here and proportionally comparing to the entire online poker community, I doubt that we are producing twice as many winners. My best guess is that due to people on this site being very interested in the game, we might be slightly higher than 10% but not by much.

[econ_tim 0]

i challenge anyone to cite a credible source for the statistic in question. it can't be a blog or another internet forum post and you must provide a link or enough information for me to find it in a library.btw, poker advice books don't count either, unless they describe how they decided on whatever number they use.

[-WZR- 0]

losing players, without a doubt. I'm been nice by saying only 80%, i'm sure if we actually had some stats to back it up, the number would be higher.

it boggles my mind why people spend the time to post such crap. what is your intention here? if you're making fun of people in the forum, yet you're posting yourself....what does that say about you? wierd.

[No_Neck 0]

i challenge anyone to cite a credible source for the statistic in question. it can't be a blog or another internet forum post and you must provide a link or enough information for me to find it in a library.btw, poker advice books don't count either, unless they describe how they decided on whatever number they use.

what about the data mining project on two + two? didn't it have it over there how many people were winning vs losing

[-WZR- 0]

The number I've seen the most is that for any given year the number of players that finished in the black was about 8-10%. This number came from reporters who have actually interviewed people who run internet poker rooms. Also keep in mind, that the given number counts anyone who made any kind of profit. So if you made a profit of 1 penny for the given year, you qualify. In most of the articles I've read, they even state that the vast majority of the "winning" 8-10% isnt making any where near enough to quit their day job. They're just barely getting by.As for people who post on this site... To say that 20% of the people that post here are winners seems overly optimistic. Looking at our community here and proportionally comparing to the entire online poker community, I doubt that we are producing twice as many winners. My best guess is that due to people on this site being very interested in the game, we might be slightly higher than 10% but not by much.

if this information was true, it would be an incredibly steep profit curve. Think about it, 90% of the people playing online poker's money going to the remaining 10%. Obviously the sites are the true winners but it seems incredibly hard to believe that there there is only this 9-10% of players taking the money from the remaining 90%

[econ_tim 0]

what about the data mining project on two + two? didn't it have it over there how many people were winning vs losing

there are several threads about the proportion of losers. most large pokertracker databases have 60% of people losing. but this number is too low since losing players probably play less often than winning players, so they are less likely to be included in the database.

[princeof56k 0]

i challenge anyone to cite a credible source for the statistic in question. it can't be a blog or another internet forum post and you must provide a link or enough information for me to find it in a library.btw, poker advice books don't count either, unless they describe how they decided on whatever number they use.

The number I stated above I read in two different places long ago. Once was in a print magazine I no longer have (it was Time, Spors Illustrated or something. I cant remember).I also read it online at ESPN. A long time ago, I created a topic about this same subject and included a link to the atricle in my post. The article can only be read if you are an espn insider (which I am not). But my post does include the main part of the article which pertains to this discussion. Look inside the quote boxes of my old post below (for some reason the quote boxes dont look right in posts that were made before the site changed).My old post

[PotDragon 0]

Thank God 80% ( or higher ) are losers, if they weren't, I might have to get a job !

[princeof56k 0]

if this information was true, it would be an incredibly steep profit curve. Think about it, 90% of the people playing online poker's money going to the remaining 10%. Obviously the sites are the true winners but it seems incredibly hard to believe that there there is only this 9-10% of players taking the money from the remaining 90%

I hear what your saying but I dont find it that unbelievable. Think about it. For some people to make the supposedly high amounts of money that they say they do (which may or may not be true btw) they have to be taking it from a lot of people. One poor player is not supporting a good player with all his income. Saying that 9 poor players support one good player sounds a lot more believable (IMO). Add in the rake and a lot of the bad players are just getting killed.

[chrozzo 19]