Zeejustin Is A Cheater

[Theraflu 1,039]

the poker sites should start randomly checking on all the "big names" that play all the big tournies...i bet this happens a lot more than people think..if ZeeJuistin never ends up at the same tablwe with both accounts do u guys still think its cheating? just curious

someone earlier posted how having 5 buyins affects the tournament for other players...and with tourneys being so card dependent, you get 5X as many chances as everyone else to win 200k, i think it makes a pretty significant difference.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

Depending on when ZeeJustin earned that money, he may be having the IRS knocking pretty soon...

[Vatche 0]

someone earlier posted how having 5 buyins affects the tournament for other players...and with tourneys being so card dependent, you get 5X as many chances as everyone else to win 200k, i think it makes a pretty significant difference.

5 buy ins?? thats just sick...how stupid are these people for thinking they can get away with this...i remember a couple months ago, i was railing the final table of the 500k pokerstars on sunday...one of the players happened tyo mention that he was deep in the party tourny going on( i believe it was the 750k)...so i opened the party tourny and there he was, amongst the leaders with 20 to go...i remember being stunned and thinking how good he must be...what a joke...i wish i could remember his name.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

5 buy ins?? thats just sick...how stupid are these people for thinking they can get away with this...i remember a couple months ago, i was railing the final table of the 500k pokerstars on sunday...one of the players happened tyo mention that he was deep in the party tourny going on( i believe it was the 750k)...so i opened the party tourny and there he was, amongst the leaders with 20 to go...i remember being stunned and thinking how good he must be...what a joke...i wish i could remember his name.

I wonder if I think his name is highplaya on Full Tilt was doing this. The guy who WON 2 200k's in a row and was in the running for a third??????

[Epistate 0]

I can post something on 14 different message board if I want. Doesn't mean it's true does it?I don't believe this email is legit. And I won't until ZJ himself says it is. Anyone who see's that someone else confirmed something by typing on a message board, and then believe it themselves, is mildy retarded.

who is retarded now? SFOPLease Noose Yourself

[Pupsta 0]

that's a great argument..."these guys have such a better chance of winning because they have 5 buyins, that completely explains how that guy on the same account won the FT big tourney 2 weeks in a row!"

[Jordan 1]

that's a great argument..."these guys have such a better chance of winning because they have 5 buyins, that completely explains how that guy on the same account won the FT big tourney 2 weeks in a row!"

yea. hopefully this doesn't have the snowball effect of a witch hunt...but, I don't doubt many people do this. winning and losing players.money changes people...perhaps zeejustin would have never thought of "cheating" when he first started playing..but that obviously changed...- Jordan

[Pupsta 0]

it's not something i've ever done or would ever do, but i don't see a person entering a large-field tourney with multiple accounts as cheating. sure, if he enters with 5 different accounts, he has a roughly 5x greater chance of winning than anyone else, but he also pays more, and gives up a bit of equity in having to keep his tables straight (not that that's a problem for zeejustin with his mad multitabling skills).i just don't see it as that big of a deal and don't think he should be labeled a cheater for it.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

it's not something i've ever done or would ever do, but i don't see a person entering a large-field tourney with multiple accounts as cheating. sure, if he enters with 5 different accounts, he has a roughly 5x greater chance of winning than anyone else, but he also pays more, and gives up a bit of equity in having to keep his tables straight (not that that's a problem for zeejustin with his mad multitabling skills).i just don't see it as that big of a deal and don't think he should be labeled a cheater for it.

So if you have one account up, and everyone else has 5, there is no advantage to them over you?

[Pupsta 0]

So if you have one account up, and everyone else has 5, there is no advantage to them over you?

if there is someone with 5 accounts sitting at my table, yes. if it's someone with 5 accounts spread out among 500 tables, not really. it's just like someone having 5 lottery tickets to my 1, and he paid for all 5.

[devilsslide 0]

Quote: insano @ Friday, February 24th, 2006, 10:58 AM) *I can post something on 14 different message board if I want. Doesn't mean it's true does it?I don't believe this email is legit. And I won't until ZJ himself says it is. Anyone who see's that someone else confirmed something by typing on a message board, and then believe it themselves, is mildy retarded.

who is retarded now? SFOPLease Noose Yourself

clearly still you. Insano doesn't automatically accept what he's told as fact... the mark of an intelligent person actually.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

if there is someone with 5 accounts sitting at my table, yes. if it's someone with 5 accounts spread out among 500 tables, not really. it's just like someone having 5 lottery tickets to my 1, and he paid for all 5.

What about when you get to the later stages, and he has played with everyone on the table and his software has stats on everyone? Is there an advantage then?

[Jordan 1]

it's not something i've ever done or would ever do, but i don't see a person entering a large-field tourney with multiple accounts as cheating. sure, if he enters with 5 different accounts, he has a roughly 5x greater chance of winning than anyone else, but he also pays more, and gives up a bit of equity in having to keep his tables straight (not that that's a problem for zeejustin with his mad multitabling skills).i just don't see it as that big of a deal and don't think he should be labeled a cheater for it.

gotta disagree with this.poker has rules and they should be followed legalistcally.there are rules against having more than one account per person for a reason. Just cause you might not agree, doesn't mean you're right.You can see it anyway you want. That's your perogative...but this isn't vietnam..there are rules...dude- Jordan

[Magsugal 0]

Its like saying we'll throw a dart at a dartboard for money, whoever gets closest to the center wins. One special rule though, i get 5 darts and you only get 1. Fair?

[MikeJohnson724 0]

Its like saying we'll throw a dart at a dartboard for money, whoever gets closest to the center wins. One special rule though, i get 5 darts and you only get 1. Fair?

Well it depends... Did we each play a dollar for the dart, hence 5 to 1 odds. LOL

[paul02085 0]

The funny part about all of this is that PP's $500k guaranteed tournament went from 3500 entrants to like 3150 from one week to the next because of the JJProdigy thing. PokerStars stayed about the same or increased slightly that week.

Wow, JJ had more accounts than i thought

[GrinderMJ 0]

I really like Zeejustin, so this situation totally sucks in my opinion. I hate that he did cheat, he is so good that it really wasn't necesary. This is obviously a reminder not to keep big sums of money in pokeroooms, because they are governed by no one and can do whatever the fuck they want to you. I think it's gay to take away all his hard earned cash, because as he said he never hit any big scores on his multi accounting. He earned his cash, even though he cheated sometimes. Find out if he made any cash by multi accounting, take that away, but give him the rest of his money back

[Abbaddabba 0]

Its like saying we'll throw a dart at a dartboard for money, whoever gets closest to the center wins. One special rule though, i get 5 darts and you only get 1. Fair?

Uhh, he's paying for each dart.The rule exists to prevent interaccount collusion. Given the circumstances, he probably never did collude at any particular table. The reason they're enforcing this is to set an example, and to make their site seem credible. I sincerely doubt that he entered with multiple accounts because he wanted to cheat. It's more likely that he wanted to play multiple entries for the same reason he plays X number of sit and goes concurrently.I have no problem with them enforcing it. But if they havent (and wont) distribute what they took to others in the tournament, that's pretty ****ed up.

[Smasharoo 0]

it's not something i've ever done or would ever do, but i don't see a person entering a large-field tourney with multiple accounts as cheating. sure, if he enters with 5 different accounts, he has a roughly 5x greater chance of winning than anyone else, but he also pays more, and gives up a bit of equity in having to keep his tables straight (not that that's a problem for zeejustin with his mad multitabling skills).i just don't see it as that big of a deal and don't think he should be labeled a cheater for it.Allow me to translate from fanboi. "I hadn't thought of cheating by entering six accounts into the same tourney, or two or three into the same sit and go but if my hero does it, it must be ok. I mean it has to be, right? ZeeJustin cured my cancer, and got meoff crack just by spitting on me once. I think that great players who I idolize for no reason because I'd like to be marginally famous in a small circle of desperately needy online poker players with no social skills should be able to do whatever they want. Just so long as they keep winning so that I can dream of hiding under their large cockpit desk while they 100 table 100 person tournaments where they are the only entries and win every single one. I mean that's sick. Every one! Man, I wish I could be that good. I wish people would stop calling him a cheater because then when I get to meed and seduce him and convince him to move to Massachussetts to marry me, I will be known as Mr. No Talent Cheater Blower instead of Mr. ZeeJustin Fellator."Tournaments are for suckers.good luck.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

It's baffling to me that you people don't consider having two entries into a tournament cheating--equity, anyone?Someone asked Dan Harrington once, what he thought his chances of winning the Main Event were, the year that Arieh, Raymer and Williams were on the final table with him."Well, I have 12.5% of the chips, so, I'd guess it's probably 12.5%."

[zimmer4141 0]

I do think it's an advantage to have multiple accounts in a big tournament. There are only so many chances at the huge cashes, so having 5 chances at that huge cash is big. You can also play conservatively on a couple to try and make the money, and superaggressively on a couple to try to build a huge stack towards the final table. Plus, you can watch more players to get reads on other people.It's not a huge advantage, but I think it's enough of an advantage, and it's unethical, which makes it illegal. It's one of those things where I can't really explain why it's illegal, it just is.

[Smasharoo 0]

I sincerely doubt that he entered with multiple accounts because he wanted to cheat. Think you could maybe be more naieve somehow? Like say, if someone came along and hit you on the head with a frying pan like on TV. Then they could hit you with it AGAIN and you'd come back to reality and not make ludicrous statements like that.The number of ways he could cheat without blatently chip dumping is vast, not to mention that there's nothing to indicate he didn't chimp dump and nothing to indicate that he wasn't colluding with 50 other players with unique IPs.Or maybe he's just really lucky and a poker genius.Yes. That seems more likely.good luck.

[zimmer4141 0]

My biggest problem with this whole thing is that Party is keeping all the money from both Zee and JJ. That's like the cops arresting a guy for stealing someone's car, and taking the car rather than giving it back to its rightful owner. They won that money off of players, so the money should be returned to players.

[spikymarv99 0]

This is getting ridiculous. Everyone, get over yourselves. There is alot of jealousy that is fueling this thread. Your not as good as ZJ; you never will make as much money as him. Deal with it and move on. I don't care what he did and whether it is considered cheating. It is irrelevant; it has not affected the majority of the members of FCP. That is the price you pay for playing online. Like ElDiablo stated in 2+2, you have to figure cheating into your long term EV. Work on your game and stop obsessing over what some 20 year old did at PP. Or maybe a better idea is to get a life instead of jocking a kid who can't even drink yet. If you were somehow affected by ZJ's actions, I just don't don't see how. He made his money at SNG and you can't have two players from the same IP address sit in the same SNG or cash game. Stop kicking a kid when he is down and GET A LIFE or learn to play poker. Peace out and stay in school.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

My biggest problem with this whole thing is that Party is keeping all the money from both Zee and JJ. That's like the cops arresting a guy for stealing someone's car, and taking the car rather than giving it back to its rightful owner. They won that money off of players, so the money should be returned to players.

Fairly certain that they redistributed the money. Xzanos bubbled the tourney that JJProdigy won, and he was credited with being the first one out in the money.