folding on the river (kid poker v. allthewomen)

[NDIrishdogg 0]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a heads up expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm more of a ring game player.So I watched DN and AlltheWomen play heads up 500/1000 for quite awhile the other night and noticed a somewhat strange (at least it seemed strange to me) phenomenon. A buddy of mine and I were discussing it, but I wanted to get the thoughts of others on it. The game was ultra aggressive, obviously. But we noticed what we both thought was an excessive amount of three betting the flop and turn and then folding to a single river bet. My take on this was that perhaps the flop and turn action were just battles of trying to get the other guy to lay down a hand he missed regardless of what your own cards were. If this is the case, then folding to a bet on the river might make sense if you were on a draw or a pure bluff as a river bettor is unlikely to fold merely because of a raise on the end.Anyways, I'd be interested to know if anyone has insights as to the logic behind folding on the river with such frequency heads up.

[Limit Player 0]

just a guess, but you want to limit the # of times your opponent sees your hole cards.

[76clubs 0]

just a guess, but you want to limit the # of times your opponent sees your hole cards.

probably not, because you can always muck the losing hand

[76clubs 0]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a heads up expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm more of a ring game player.So I watched DN and AlltheWomen play heads up 500/1000 for quite awhile the other night and noticed a somewhat strange (at least it seemed strange to me) phenomenon. A buddy of mine and I were discussing it, but I wanted to get the thoughts of others on it. The game was ultra aggressive, obviously. But we noticed what we both thought was an excessive amount of three betting the flop and turn and then folding to a single river bet. My take on this was that perhaps the flop and turn action were just battles of trying to get the other guy to lay down a hand he missed regardless of what your own cards were. If this is the case, then folding to a bet on the river might make sense if you were on a draw or a pure bluff as a river bettor is unlikely to fold merely because of a raise on the end.Anyways, I'd be interested to know if anyone has insights as to the logic behind folding on the river with such frequency heads up.

probably a missed draw....you dont want to give bets away in any game

[slash 0]

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a heads up expert by any stretch of the imagination. I'm more of a ring game player.So I watched DN and AlltheWomen play heads up 500/1000 for quite awhile the other night and noticed a somewhat strange (at least it seemed strange to me) phenomenon. A buddy of mine and I were discussing it, but I wanted to get the thoughts of others on it. The game was ultra aggressive, obviously. But we noticed what we both thought was an excessive amount of three betting the flop and turn and then folding to a single river bet. My take on this was that perhaps the flop and turn action were just battles of trying to get the other guy to lay down a hand he missed regardless of what your own cards were. If this is the case, then folding to a bet on the river might make sense if you were on a draw or a pure bluff as a river bettor is unlikely to fold merely because of a raise on the end.Anyways, I'd be interested to know if anyone has insights as to the logic behind folding on the river with such frequency heads up.

probably a missed draw....you dont want to give bets away in any game

Of course you don't, but there's also an argument to be made that would say that you're giving bets away by not calling one bet into a large (relatively, for heads up play) pot on the river, with the exception of when you are on a pure bluff and have no chance whatsoever of winning the pot, even with a high card. In other words, if, say, the pot is $8,000, and it's $1,000 to you, you have to be correct that your hand is not the best better than 8 out of 9 times. It just seems to me that you're priced in to showdown a lot of hands for a single bet much more frequently than KidPoker and AllTheWomen seemed to be doing.

[DanielNegreanu 141]

It's likely drawing hands being played aggressively with little chance of winning.

[bdc30 0]

just a guess, but you want to limit the # of times your opponent sees your hole cards.

probably not, because you can always muck the losing hand

Wrong. Any called (losing) hand at the river is instantlyviewable in the hand history. Even if you "muck" it.

[76clubs 0]

It's likely drawing hands being played aggressively with little chance of winning.

my thoughts exactly danielcongrats on 2k

[MasterRich 0]

saving bets makes you money...