Wingmaster05 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with [4d], [Qd]. 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: (6 SB) [6d], [9d], [2h] (6 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.Turn: (7 BB) [7d] (4 players)Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls.River: (11 BB) [3h] (2 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 15 BBnot enough stats on villain to be meaningful...I wasn't sure how to play it, on all of the streets.is there any merit to c/3 betting flop and going from there? Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Author Share Posted February 18, 2006 also MP was a SLAA and i figured he would probably 3 bet most of his flush draws...correct? Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I play it the same, tough to know if you are good or not on the end.I c/c if the board pairs on the river though. Link to post Share on other sites
AceJackOffS 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 flop either how you played it or bet outturn 3 betriver bet Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 flop either how you played it or bet outturn 3 betriver betUTG 1 is raising with 2 people behind him on the turn. If you 3 bet the turn and he caps it , you are forcing yourself to put 5 bets in. I would probably 3 bet it with the 2nd nut flush against an unknown but not the 3rd. Id 3 bet it with the 3rd nut flush HU but not 4 handed.This is a good situation to donk bet the river and not get trapped in for 5 bets. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 c/r the flop all day. No way you have less than 33 percent equity.Leading is fine as well.Pound. The. Turn. There are soooooo many hands that he could raise here that you are just losing value to by not throwing the bets in.I'd Bet/call the river, assuming he went all the way with me on the turn. As played, I'm pounding the river. You only have to be ahead 66% of the time to three-bet/call cap (assuming he calls with worse hands but caps all of the better ones) and I think that we are ahead way more than that. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would have bet the flop.Turn lead is good. Not 3-betting is bad.3-bet the turn, call a cap. Lead the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Sysvr4 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would probably 3 bet it with the 2nd nut flush against an unknown but not the 3rd. Id 3 bet it with the 3rd nut flush HU but not 4 handedThat's weak, don't you think? This is a very easy turn 3-bet. We're ahead the vast majority of the time here.If he caps it, I'll slow down for the river, especially if the board pairs.Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Author Share Posted February 18, 2006 yeah he definitely raises a high number of hands on the turn, a 3 bet was definitely in order. I still like 3 bet, bet/call river though. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would probably 3 bet it with the 2nd nut flush against an unknown but not the 3rd. Id 3 bet it with the 3rd nut flush HU but not 4 handedThat's weak, don't you think? This is a very easy turn 3-bet. We're ahead the vast majority of the time here.If he caps it, I'll slow down for the river, especially if the board pairs.JeffI'll 3-bet this turn with the 2:diamond:3:diamond:... Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Haven't read replies...I have a tendency to lead out on the flop here, but I don't hate the check/call. I like leading the turn, but I think 3-betting is probably correct here too. I'd also tend to suggest a 3-bet call line on the river since you just called the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would probably 3 bet it with the 2nd nut flush against an unknown but not the 3rd. Id 3 bet it with the 3rd nut flush HU but not 4 handedThat's weak, don't you think? This is a very easy turn 3-bet. We're ahead the vast majority of the time here.If he caps it, I'll slow down for the river, especially if the board pairs.JeffI'll 3-bet this turn with the 2:diamond:3:diamond:...And just hope that either a) he didnt see the diamond hit or B) is raising without a flush, hoping you dont have it, as well as hoping the 2 people behind him dont have it? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zach6668 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would probably 3 bet it with the 2nd nut flush against an unknown but not the 3rd. Id 3 bet it with the 3rd nut flush HU but not 4 handedThat's weak, don't you think? This is a very easy turn 3-bet. We're ahead the vast majority of the time here.If he caps it, I'll slow down for the river, especially if the board pairs.JeffI'll 3-bet this turn with the 2:diamond:3:diamond:...And just hope that either a) he didnt see the diamond hit or B) is raising without a flush, hoping you dont have it, as well as hoping the 2 people behind him dont have it?.... it's Party Poker 2/4... Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 I would probably 3 bet it with the 2nd nut flush against an unknown but not the 3rd. Id 3 bet it with the 3rd nut flush HU but not 4 handedThat's weak, don't you think? This is a very easy turn 3-bet. We're ahead the vast majority of the time here.If he caps it, I'll slow down for the river, especially if the board pairs.JeffI'll 3-bet this turn with the 2:diamond:3:diamond:...And just hope that either a) he didnt see the diamond hit or B) is raising without a flush, hoping you dont have it, as well as hoping the 2 people behind him dont have it?.... it's Party Poker 2/4...What's your point? there are no read on anyone so we have to assume they all have some sort of clue as to how to read a board. You cant just go by what level you are at or you will start to fall into some bad habits that will end up costing you a good amont of money at higher levels. Link to post Share on other sites
Sysvr4 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 What's your point? there are no read on anyone so we have to assume they all have some sort of clue as to how to read a board. You cant just go by what level you are at or you will start to fall into some bad habits that will end up costing you a good amont of money at higher levels.Exactly right... like not 3-betting this turn for example :)In all seriousness, you don't think we're ahead here often enough to 3-bet evidently. What's your reasoning for that?Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 And just hope that either a) he didnt see the diamond hit or B) is raising without a flush, hoping you dont have it, as well as hoping the 2 people behind him dont have it?a) He could easily be trying to protect a hand like A9. He has a hand he likes, he will probably call. The diamond may have helped him, but it doesn't mean he has a flush. 3-bet is for value. B) This is much more likey than him having the flush. Although if he has a flush, he has us beat unless he has JTs. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted February 18, 2006 Share Posted February 18, 2006 Turn's an easy 3-bet, you might run into the nuts or 2nd nuts once in a while, but more often than not your good here. That raise could mean a lower flush, a set, maybe even a straight. You're losing way too much value not 3-betting this.I'm also leading on the river on a blank even if its capped back to me on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
bdams19 0 Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 havent read the repliesi cannot figure out why you are not reraising the turn and river Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted February 19, 2006 Share Posted February 19, 2006 I too agree that the turn is a must 3-bet, he has the Kd or Ad here a bunch and will outdraw us if another diamond hits. Charge him incase he is drawing to such a thing, could also have a set too. If he caps, just check/call the river. If he just calls the 3-bet, bet/call the river, even if the board pairs. Link to post Share on other sites
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