axs mp

[Pancake407 0]

Ultimate Bet 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP1 with A:spade:, 6:spade:. 1 fold, BB checks.Flop: (4.40 SB) Q:spade:, A:diamond:, K:heart: (4 players)BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button folds.Turn: (3.70 BB) 2:club: (3 players)BB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.River: (9.70 BB) 6:club: (3 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds.Final Pot: 11.70 BBPreflop - too loose?Postflop - standard?

[nrs02004 0]

why are you raising the turn? (not saying it's wrong, but I want to know your reasons)It looked like you were taking a WA/WB line on the flop, and I think I would have either raised the flop to charge draws/value/info/fold equity, or just called it down.I think you are often behind on the flop/turn, and raising the turn really just makes you lose more when you're behind and folds any non-ace/2pair hand that BB was betting, so you win less when you're ahead.river is standard

[Actuary 3]

why are you raising the turn? (not saying it's wrong, but I want to know your reasons)

I'll say it, it's wrong.Fold turn. (unless they are retards)

[Guest Zach6668]

why are you raising the turn? (not saying it's wrong, but I want to know your reasons)

I'll say it, it's wrong.Fold turn. (unless they are retards)

You are folding top pair?

[Briguy 0]

I don't like the turn raise. I'd rather raise the flop, because there is no way this is WA/WB. Hero has 3 outs to win and 9 to split against better weak aces. He has 5 outs to beat KQ (8 on the turn). Most of the time, Hero is ahead on the flop, and he can slow down to a flop 3-bet or if the 4-straight appears later.

[Actuary 3]

why are you raising the turn? (not saying it's wrong, but I want to know your reasons)

I'll say it, it's wrong.Fold turn. (unless they are retards)

You are folding top pair?

I want to.

[bobbywithani 0]

I think if you are going to play Axs you need to be able to fold when an ace flops. Just my opinion.

[Briguy 0]

I think if you are going to play Axs you need to be able to fold when an ace flops. Just my opinion.

I agree in principle, but that is actually a good board for a weak ace, given the lack of preflop action. My main sticking point is that the pot is not large. As played, I'm not sure that the turn has enough overlay to draw to a 3-out win/10 out split. But it is close, and depends on how much you want to discount the outs (if you assume BB has AJ-A7 and UTG+1 has Kx or Qx, for example, there are only 7 split outs).But I play the flop more aggressively, so there ya go.

[Briguy 0]

I think if you are going to play Axs you need to be able to fold when an ace flops. Just my opinion.

I agree in principle, but that is actually a good board for a weak ace, given the lack of preflop action. My main sticking point is that the pot is not large. As played, I'm not sure that the turn has enough overlay to draw to a 3-out win/10 out split. But it is close, and depends on how much you want to discount the outs (if you assume BB has AJ-A7 and UTG+1 has Kx or Qx, for example, there are only 7 split outs).But I play the flop more aggressively, so there ya go.

[rog 0]

I'll say it, it's wrong.Fold turn. (unless they are retards)

You have to be kidding. First of all, look at the stakes. Odds of them being retards is much higher than you'd think. Second, fold top pair (aces) without EVER putting a raise in against a field where nobody raised preflop? The hands that beat you are pretty much exactly A9-A7 on the flop, and add A2 on the turn. One time in a thousand, someone slow-played a big pair and you're drawing pretty much dead. If you dont raise the flop, I cant see any way of folding this turn. That said, raise the flop. If he bets into you on the turn, you can fold unless villain is hyper-agressive. If he checks the turn, bet/fold.

[Actuary 3]

small pot.over calling with a marginal handRIO.there's an example of a hand in SSHE we have TP bad kicker, like J5.We call a bet and a raise on the flop (1 bet at a time)We peel with odds, but then fold turn UI.There was no preflop raise, pot was a little bigger than this and we may have even been HU.Now is Ace pair that much different than J pair?It's in the turn quiz section.with all of us playing SH now I think we tend to call down / fight to hard in small pots with marginal hands. I'm certainly guilty of that.maybe I'm wrong.

[rog 0]

No, this is very different. For one, our pair isn't vulnerable to overcards. For another, as I pointed out, almost ANY hand that beats us would have raised preflop. We showed weakness on the flop, and any K is betting the turn now. Maybe a Q. Maybe TJ even. A worse Ace perhaps. There's all kinds of worse hands that will peel on the flop, and c/c or c/f the turn. I agree, in a small pot, we prefer folding when it's close. I dont think it's close here. I think we have to raise the flop, and re-evaluate on the turn.

[Actuary 3]

given we did not raise flop, I think the pot is too small to call down now.Not that I don't but maybe it's a small leak to do so.you are kidding about better Aces raising pre flop right?most players way under raise at these stakes.. way way way under.sure we aren't vulnerable to over cards, just reverse domination, gut shots, I know I'm alone in this

[rog 0]

given we did not raise turn, I think the pot is too small to call down now.Not that I don't but maybe it's a small leak to do so.you are kidding about better Aces raising pre flop right?most players way under raise at these stakes.. way way way under.sure we aren't vulnerable to over cards, just reverse domination, gut shots, I know I'm alone in this

Didn't raise the turn? We in fact DID raise the turn. My contention is that it's actually the flop we want to raise. Yes, this could easily be A9 to A7. MAYBE AT. There's WAY more hands that play this way that we beat. All kind of weak broadway, hutshot straight draws. Maybe even underpairs. We're going to have to agree to disagree I guess. I think we're good at least 50% of the time, especially if we raise the flop, and villain checks the turn.

[econ_tim 0]

you can't fold the flop because of your backdoor nut flush draw and two pair outsi don't mind calling down from the turn as we likely also have some hidden outs to a split pot, plus there is some chance we're winning

[Actuary 3]

rog,I mistyped, as usual, I meant corrected it to say "since we did not raise flop"