good line with ak?

[tufat23 0]

I'm pretty new to LHE. Usually a NL player, but just trying to expand my horizons a littleRead the hilger book, SSE and MLHE by Ciaffone.So I feel I got a good understanding.Gonna post a few hands to see whether I could do anything different.Limit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $0.50/$110 playersConverterPre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with A♥ K♦UTG calls, 5 folds, CO raises, Button 3-bets, SB folds, Hero Caps, UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls.Flop: 4♠ A♠ J♦ (13.5SB, 3 players)Hero bets, CO calls, Button folds.Turn: 3♥ (7.75BB, 2 players)Hero bets, CO calls.River: 9♥ (9.75BB, 2 players)Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.Results:Final pot: 13.75BBCheck raise that flop?Confused by the river raise, should I have c/c the river.thanks

[nrs02004 0]

I think I play it the same. Not sure if I cap AKo there (just calling gives some deception, and lets you c/r the flop, also depends on passiveness of opponents), might just call, but I probably shouldSince you capped preflop I definitely bet the flop and don't go for a c/r. If you had just called the 3-bet preflop I would c/r the flop, or possibly... c/c the flop then c/r the turn but probably not.As for the river. You MUST MUST MUST bet that river every single time... Don't even think about c/c that river. Lemme guess, he flipped over either AJ or a set and you cried? (At least he played it like a boob, and you lost the least possible...) Since he has shown no aggression there is no reason to give him credit for a good hand, at 0.5-1 I would expect him to call that bet and show down second pair or worse...[/u]

[RISEorFall 0]

I will cap PF if I have reads on CO and button that they will try and isolate an EP limper, and that button may sense a steal attempt and have a wide 3-betting range. If I don't have those reads, I just call the 3-bet to see what CO does. If I have those reads, however, I'm usually finding another table I can beat up on my own. Since you capped pf, you should lead. Bet the river, all day, every day. Twice on Sunday. Three times if it's Easter.

[Actuary 3]

never c/r that flop.you capped, it could get checked thru, and no reason to build pots with that draw heavy flop, just bet for value and hope AQ raises you.w/o reads I call river. Almost 13:1And ,yes, betting it is correct as well.Sometimes he's palying a set real tricky like and knows you will bet all streets and he's extracting value, sometimes its a A9 that got lucky, but sometimes, its AT or QQ hoping that you haven't read SSHE and will fold.It's the latter, more than 13:1 from an unknown.nh.

[psujohn 0]

I call rather than capping PF for a few reasons- we're out of position- see if CO caps behind us- we get to c/r an A or K high flopSince you cap PF you need to lead this flop.And yes the river line is 100% correct. Bet/call is the only thing that makes sense. Just remember that the guy who got lucky and caught a river here will pay you back double over time.

[tufat23 0]

I capped pf for value. Interesting that you guys are leaning on just calling the 3-bet. Would you have just called with JJ/QQ?10,10, AJs or AQs i would prob just call the 3 bets here, but is this the equivalent of cold calling thanks for your help, will post the hand result tomorrow

[Guest Zach6668]

I love capping preflop. I cap here. You are right, it's for value, I think. We should have an equity edge here, against 2 others, right?I like the reasons PSU listed for just calling, however, but I love my early aggression.Of course, bet flop, bet turn, bet river, and you have to call the river raise.Good for him for staying in the capped pot with 44 or 33 - Zach

[rog 0]

Am I the only one who cant read the suits in your posts?

[Pancake407 0]

I capped pf for value. Interesting that you guys are leaning on just calling the 3-bet.  Would you have just called with JJ/QQ?10,10, AJs or AQs</b> i would prob just call the 3 bets here, but is this the equivalent of cold calling  thanks for your help, will post the hand result tomorrow

you call 3-bets with AJs-AQs? I find those to be easy folds.

[Actuary 3]

you call 3-bets with AJs-AQs? I find those to be easy folds.

Certainly would be an easy fold in a 3 way pot.5 way, I call.Not that I have math to support that.Capping this AK is fine.Screech told me, at least I think from the BB as well.The equity against 3 opponents is big, and the c/r with such a big pot will be less effective in protecting your hand anyway.You probably get more "protection" by representing AA/KK here, capping.

[Guest Zach6668]

I capped pf for value. Interesting that you guys are leaning on just calling the 3-bet. Would you have just called with JJ/QQ?10,10, AJs or AQs i would prob just call the 3 bets here, but is this the equivalent of cold calling thanks for your help, will post the hand result tomorrow

Ummmm... FOLD AJs, AQs if you are facing 3 bets. I'll call with TT, JJ, I'll probably cap with QQ.

[Actuary 3]

Ummmm... FOLD AJs, AQs if you are facing 3 bets.

if you are in Button, and 2 raises and 5 handed before you.. then what would you do with AQs ?

[RISEorFall 0]

if you are in Button, and 2 raises and 5 handed before you.. then what would you do with AQs ?

cap?

[Guest Zach6668]

That's close. If I'm you, I call. :lol:Seriously though, if it's 5 handed.. I may cap it if everyone is for sure coming along. 5 handed, although I have no math to back it up, I'm sure AQs has an equity edge here. I'm sure we win more than 20% of the time. Right?

[Actuary 3]

That's close.

ok, just don't fold!I'd call or cap depending on where the raises came from, that is, I'd cap if the raises were early and we'll keep it multi way. I'd hesitate to face early weak limpers with 2-3 cold though, if raises came from LP. Domination is a big concern. Folding hands means dead money; but in this case, I'd suspect its not the limpers hands that will determine my fate, let them come along.And, we don't need to win 20% of the time.Look how many hands you win in full ring, 10 handed only.Are you winning much more than 10%, enough to explain your winrate?Probably not.But you are folding in pots with impropoer odds to chase, and betting/raising/building pots when you have an equity edge. So, with this hand you aren't committed to showdown. I guarantee a strong player such as yourself will win more money than they lose playing this AQs in a 5-6 way pot 3-bet before them, against typical 2/4 players.Sign of a horrible player: they win over 10% of the hands at Full Ring but lose money, over a long term period.

[tufat23 0]

thanks for all the help.I initially thought my cap pf was a no brainer, but now know its a pretty close call.I don't like calling people 'donks' but the dude flipped over 99 for trips.*sigh*

[RISEorFall 0]

Hey OP, forget the Hilger and Caffione book.Get SSHE from Sklansky, Malmuth and Miller

[tufat23 0]

i have read all of them. i also have holdem for advanced players by sklansky but havent got round to that yet.I read all of them so that i wouldnt be another NL idiot moving to the LHE tables who complained that no one ever folded.