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On party poker playing the $25 no-limit tables I'm in the BB with Q-5 off. It's folded around to the button who calls as does SB, I check. The flop comes 8-5-5. SB checks, I bet $1, Button reraises to $20. SB folds and I think about it. The only hands he could have to beat me with are 8-8, A-5, or K-5. I called and he turned up 8-8. Would you have been able to get away from this hand or is this one you have to call down and deal with the loss?Thanks,Dice

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At lower level, Party this seems like an insta-call.
Is this ever NOT an insta-call, unless for some reason you know this player very well and he overbets with the nuts?
I think the implied understanding is that people at this level often overplay their hands. You'll see them pushing all in with top pair, AK, or overpair as often as having a full house (in fact, the full house folks tend to slow play). At these levels, a push can often be an indication of a donk bluff.The bet would give me pause, but I think I would have to call given that I think more than 2/3 of the time (at these levels), that big raise does not represent the nuts.
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At lower level, Party this seems like an insta-call.
Is this ever NOT an insta-call, unless for some reason you know this player very well and he overbets with the nuts?
I think the implied understanding is that people at this level often overplay their hands. You'll see them pushing all in with top pair, AK, or overpair as often as having a full house (in fact, the full house folks tend to slow play). At these levels, a push can often be an indication of a donk bluff.The bet would give me pause, but I think I would have to call given that I think more than 2/3 of the time (at these levels), that big raise does not represent the nuts.
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At lower level, Party this seems like an insta-call.
Is this ever NOT an insta-call, unless for some reason you know this player very well and he overbets with the nuts?
I think the implied understanding is that people at this level often overplay their hands. You'll see them pushing all in with top pair, AK, or overpair as often as having a full house (in fact, the full house folks tend to slow play). At these levels, a push can often be an indication of a donk bluff.The bet would give me pause, but I think I would have to call given that I think more than 2/3 of the time (at these levels), that big raise does not represent the nuts.
Agreed. Is there an Echo?
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On party poker playing the $25 no-limit tables I'm in the BB with Q-5 off. It's folded around to the button who calls as does SB, I check. The flop comes 8-5-5. SB checks, I bet $1, Button reraises to $20.
Pretty nice raise 19 times your bet.
SB folds and I think about it. The only hands he could have to beat me with are 8-8, A-5, or K-5.
Having a set with only one in you're hand is dangerous business. You forgot 8-5 btw.
I called and he turned up 8-8. Would you have been able to get away from this hand or is this one you have to call down and deal with the loss?
I usually will pay someone off in this spot but lets see if we can get away from it. It's a limped pot which means there's plenty of hand variety in there. I wouldn't put the button on 88's as much as I would have put him on 8-5o, especially in a limped pot. Most player on the button w/ a medium pocket pair are going to raise. I think he played the hand well. He limped, showing weakness, you hit your 5 on the flop, and he hit his overset. It's pretty standard poker, but I would think about your post flop play. Now if he's raising to $20, he's pretty much yelling to you I have a great hand OR I have the balls to bluff you $20 on the flop when you bet $1.Most of the time, they have it. I want to say, "Go ahead and fold and wait for a better spot." But that's not the case 9/10 times your going to call this $20 with a set, in a limped pot, it's just unlucky you ran into 88's.
Thanks,Dice
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