SLEEPYCHIEF 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 SnG 7 handed blinds 60/120MP moves in for 975, and Button +1 calls leaving himself with only 1000 left. I have 2800. I hate JJ in this spot figuring I'm at least racing. Maybe I think too much, thinking Button +1 could have aces or kings, and wants action. Anyways I decided to fold. MP shows KJ, Button +1 shows 88. I would of won. Comments on the play. Link to post Share on other sites
SexyStudThang 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 60/120 blinds? Im not entirely certain which site that's on, and as such I can't give my commentary with 100% accuracy, but I'll take a crack here. A little more information would usually be helpful. Anyway Im going to assume you're a blind, since you didnt have any previous action, and for the sake of argument that you're the big blind. Now the only real information that you can gather in this hand is that the button flat called the 975, leaving 1000 behind, essentially committing himself to the pot. You need to figure out why he did this:Is he trying to induce action by flat calling to look weak? orIs he flat calling because he has a weak hand and doesnt know any better? It's simply a matter of determing which based on past experience with the guy. If he's a donk, he'd probably be apt to miniraise and leave himself with almost no chips because that's their aces/kings reflex: so you can be fairly certain a call is OK. If he's a decent player: you have to lay the hand down. Obviously he's a donk. Link to post Share on other sites
NarSARSsist 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 SnG 7 handed blinds 60/120MP moves in for 975, and Button +1 calls leaving himself with only 1000 left. I have 2800. I hate JJ in this spot figuring I'm at least racing. Maybe I think too much, thinking Button +1 could have aces or kings, and wants action. Anyways I decided to fold. MP shows KJ, Button +1 shows 88. I would of won. Comments on the play.I don't think that racing is entirely accurate here. Plus, I wouldn't automatically just assume that the Button +1 would have something like Aces or Kings. I would definitely leave some open room for other hands like overcards, and more importantly, the odds of them sharing cards. In most of the scenarios I can think of, you have around 50% chance of winning the whole thing. Plus, you only need to beat the Button +1 to break even on the hand. In most cases, I think I would opt for the call here as this sets you up very nicely for a chance to win/cash.Alternatively, you can look at it this way. If the % of chips you have represents your chances of winning. Let's say that there was a total of 20,000 chips in play [most likely incorrect, but it will show us the relative chances]. If you don't call, you have 14% chance of winning. If you do call, you have around a 25% chance of staying at 14% [beating the button +1], a 25% chance of dropping to 5% [losing to button +1], and a 50% chance of increasing to 30%. That's a weighted chance of 20%. You increase your chances of winning [or your average chip stack, however you want to look at it] by about 50% by calling. I think that's sufficient for me to call. Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 SnG 7 handed blinds 60/120MP moves in for 975, and Button +1 calls leaving himself with only 1000 left. I have 2800. I hate JJ in this spot figuring I'm at least racing. Maybe I think too much, thinking Button +1 could have aces or kings, and wants action. Anyways I decided to fold. MP shows KJ, Button +1 shows 88. I would of won. Comments on the play. If you are five handed or less it's a push, especially if you have seen him call big bets drawing, which I am sure he probaly had before. I really need to know how many peole are left though to tell you what I would do, and what type of player the caller had been until that point. Link to post Share on other sites
therrinn 0 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I would fold the JJ there, but I often end up kicking myself after these folds, thinking that the caller couldn't possibly have anything worse than AK/TT+, only to find some absolutely insane holding like KJ. I'm also hesitatant when they pot commit themselves but just call - I've seen people do this because they're just not thinking, and I've seen them do this cause they don't want to scare out people with their AA. Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 SnG 7 handed blinds 60/120MP moves in for 975, and Button +1 calls leaving himself with only 1000 left. I have 2800. I hate JJ in this spot figuring I'm at least racing. Maybe I think too much, thinking Button +1 could have aces or kings, and wants action. Anyways I decided to fold. MP shows KJ, Button +1 shows 88. I would of won. Comments on the play.With basically 7x the BB, MP could have any pair, any ace, any two broadway, and maybe even suited connectors...I wouldn't worry about him.The next guy's call is puzzling.I would think AK would push here.I would also think AA or KK would push here...by calling, AA or KK are giving some good odds for other callers.Folding isn't bad here but I think I end up pushing.You're, in most cases, virtually a coin flip to win against two players...so the price is right.Yeah, he could have KK, QQ, AA, and he could also have AK, AQ, KQ, TT, 99, AJ, AT, and a bunch of other hands that you are either leading or dominating...and you're happy if they both have AK. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 The guy who moves in doesn't have to have a hand, as his M is getting low, and the fact that CO just calls and doesn't try to isolate shows weakness to me as well. Even without reading your results, I put CO on a middle pair or a non-premium big card hand like AJ or KQ. He would try to isolate with AA-QQ, AK-AQ. I would call here getting better than 2:1. If the flop contains overs and CO jams, you can probably get away, but you're getting a good price to call, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 I like the fold. There is a real chance that somebody has QQ+, and also a chance that any A K or Q on the board beats you. If you could see your opponents' cards then you would jam, but you can't, so assume they're not kidding. Against one opponent you play...not against two. Even if nobody has a better pair, suppose small stack had QT and big stack had AK. Do you wanna risk it with JJ vs those two hands when you don't have to? Link to post Share on other sites
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