moral question

[Footballguru 0]

Ok this is a true sequence that happened between two players, we will call John and Mike...John and Mike are both 16 years old and enjoy online poker. They both have Firepay accounts set up which allow them to deposit and withdraw funds to and from various online poker sites.They often split MTTs and this day was no different as Mike went to John's house after school. They split a MTT on Ultimate Bet. They ended up winning the tournament for a first place of ~$2000. When John attempted to cash out Mike's $1,000, he accidentally clicked Netteller instead of Firepay. John had previously attempted to use Netteller, however they were aware that he was underage. When he clicked NEtteller, Neteller allererted UB, and UB locked his account, costing Mike $1,000 and John about $1,500.Mike was obviously dissapointed, but was still friends with John although he never truly forgave him. They split many more tournies without any conflicts until the current; about a year. This particular tournament, Mike and John decided to trade 15% of each other-if either cashed they would give 15% of their winnings to the other. Mike ended up winning $2,800 in this particular tournament. After consideration he was not sure whether he should give John $420, or just call it even after the $1,000 John cost him about a year earlier.What should Mike do in this sequence?

[chrozzo 19]

A verbal agreement is just that. Between friends it should be a loked contract. They made the deal after the fact, and should stick to it.

[WhiteSpade 0]

I dont understand why they traded 15% if mike was going to keep it from John anyway. Was he thinking of doing this before the tourny started and made the agreement?

[Royal27 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

[Footballguru 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

[chrozzo 19]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

[Eclypse 0]

It depends. If Mike thinks his reputation is worth more than $420, then he should pay it--if not, then he should keep it.My reputation is worth a LOT more than $420.

[WhiteSpade 0]

If I was Jon, I'd probably end my friendship with Mike. Jon made a stupid mistake, typical of a 16 year old or whatever he was. Mike got screwed in that situation but appeared to have forgiven Jon - they both lost out on the mistake. Now Mike pulls a fast one on Jon. This doesn't sound like actions a friend does to a friend. I'm assuming you're Mike? If I was John I'd probably yelp at you for not stating your intentions before the fact and basically say dont come near me without the money. Either Jon gets his money, or Mike avoids him. It sounds to me like John couldnt lose as Mike sounds like a terrible friend to begin with. Meanwhile, John was just stupid.

[Royal27 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

I was going to say stealing cars for a profit without getting caught, but I think I like yours better.

[chrozzo 19]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

I was going to say stealing cars for a profit without getting caught, but I think I like yours better.

I aim to please.

[Project 69 0]

[No_Neck 0]

that game was the shit

[PotDragon 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

I was going to say stealing cars for a profit without getting caught, but I think I like yours better.

Don't like poker much do you ? You equate playing poker with stealing cars ?? Are you really that stupid ?To the OP...if you are Mike...looking for a way not to pay....you are already a POS no matter what you decide, just for thinking about screwing your friend.

[Project 69 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

I was going to say stealing cars for a profit without getting caught, but I think I like yours better.

Don't like poker much do you ? You equate playing poker with stealing cars ?? Are you really that stupid ?

It's a dramatic comparison, but I wouldn't ENCOURAGE my 16 year old to gamble. Any 16 year old should be able to gamble if they want to, but should lie to their parents about it, like they do about having sex and drinking etc.

[PotDragon 0]

but should lie to their parents about it

Ohhh...I didn't realize you were promoting "Family Values". :roll:

[STYLINHAWYN 0]

friendship? or money?you decide.

[chrozzo 19]

friendship?  or money?you decide.

there it is

[CaneBrain 95]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

So the Bush Administration gets their logic from you???? Good to know.

[chrozzo 19]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

So the Bush Administration gets their logic from you???? Good to know.

And that sure makes a lot of sense. Try explaining the statement, im being serious, not being nasty.

[Royal27 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

I was going to say stealing cars for a profit without getting caught, but I think I like yours better.

Don't like poker much do you ? You equate playing poker with stealing cars ?? Are you really that stupid ?To the OP...if you are Mike...looking for a way not to pay....you are already a POS no matter what you decide, just for thinking about screwing your friend.

You're under age as well I see.I equated two illegal acts. Are they different? Of course they are. Which is why they carry different penalties. If you can't understand the illustration I'm sorry, but I have no more time to explain it to you.

[Royal27 0]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

I was going to say stealing cars for a profit without getting caught, but I think I like yours better.

Don't like poker much do you ? You equate playing poker with stealing cars ?? Are you really that stupid ?To the OP...if you are Mike...looking for a way not to pay....you are already a POS no matter what you decide, just for thinking about screwing your friend.

You're under age as well I see.I equated two illegal acts. Are they different? Of course they are. Which is why they carry different penalties. If not judging, just saying that if you do something wrong you should be willing to pay if you get caught, period. If you can't understand the illustration I'm sorry, but I have no more time to explain it to you.

[Footballguru 0]

The reason the parents were notified is so that if the habit got out of hand the parents could step in. If your child came to you and said they just won a thousand dollars how would you respond? With the parents monitoring the situation, the habit could be controlled if needed.

[WhiteSpade 0]

The reason the parents were notified is so that if the habit got out of hand the parents could step in.  If your child came to you and said they just won a thousand dollars how would you respond?  With the parents monitoring the situation, the habit could be controlled if needed.

If there is potential that you'd need monitoring, you shouldnt be playing period.

[FullDeck 0]

A verbal agreement is just that.  Between friends it should be a loked contract.  They made the deal after the fact, and should stick to it.

Bullshit...

[CaneBrain 95]

Stoping playing until its legal.One illegal act does not justify another immoral one.

Mike is now 18, John is 17..both parents of both know abou their son's hobby and approve, as they are both winning.

So if their hobby was sleeping with hookers off the street and they have avoided catching an STD until now, would their parents approve of that hobby as well?

So the Bush Administration gets their logic from you???? Good to know.

And that sure makes a lot of sense. Try explaining the statement, im being serious, not being nasty.

Um, you equated his parents approving of them winning at poker to his parents approving of him having unprotected sex with hookers off the street.which makes about as much sense as on 9/11 Osama Bin Laden led an attack on American soil....so lets go get that Saddam Hussein bastard.I take it back. They make more sense than you.