kevin2536 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 I have been playing 1/2 NLHE seriously for about a month (keeping notes on hands, hours played, etc.). I usually just play live. I have only had about 10-11 sessions, maybe 4hrs at a time. I started with a bankroll of $325. I am now up to $1300. Should I stay at 1/2 for a little longer or try to move up to 2/5? If, I feel II have been wanting to try a little limit. Should I use money from my NL bankroll to fund the limit? Should I just stick with NL for a few more sessions?I appreciate any suggestions. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 You should probably have something like 4000 to be playing 1/2NL safely.So no, I wouldn't move up unless you don't mind going broke and starting over. If you want the BR to last, stay where you are. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Drop down to .25/50 Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 You should probably have something like 4000 to be playing 1/2NL safely.So no, I wouldn't move up unless you don't mind going broke and starting over. If you want the BR to last, stay where you are.you don't need $4000 to play live 1-2 nl. Even if you wanted to go on the conservative side and say 1200 bb, you're still telling him to have twice that amount.Most 1-2 live players can barely beat a home game and couldn't tell you what the definition of implied odds is. Don't move up, but you're building a decent bankroll. you'd only have a couple buy-ins at the 2-5 game and going on your limited playing experience, there's a strong chance you'd get stacked and be in for a wake up call. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 You should probably have something like 4000 to be playing 1/2NL safely.So no, I wouldn't move up unless you don't mind going broke and starting over. If you want the BR to last, stay where you are.you don't need $4000 to play live 1-2 nl. Even if you wanted to go on the conservative side and say 1200 bb, you're still telling him to have twice that amount.Most 1-2 live players can barely beat a home game and couldn't tell you what the definition of implied odds is. Don't move up, but you're building a decent bankroll. you'd only have a couple buy-ins at the 2-5 game and going on your limited playing experience, there's a strong chance you'd get stacked and be in for a wake up call.15*300=$450020*200=$4000 Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 You should probably have something like 4000 to be playing 1/2NL safely.So no, I wouldn't move up unless you don't mind going broke and starting over. If you want the BR to last, stay where you are.you don't need $4000 to play live 1-2 nl. Even if you wanted to go on the conservative side and say 1200 bb, you're still telling him to have twice that amount.Most 1-2 live players can barely beat a home game and couldn't tell you what the definition of implied odds is. Don't move up, but you're building a decent bankroll. you'd only have a couple buy-ins at the 2-5 game and going on your limited playing experience, there's a strong chance you'd get stacked and be in for a wake up call.15*300=$450020*200=$4000so you measure a nl br by the # of buy-ins you have? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Yes. If people are willing to go broke and dip in, then I don't think there's anything wrong w/ playing out of your role. I played out of my role for probably over a year and never had to experience going broke. But if this guy is looking for real bankroll management for NL I think you have to measure by the buy in. Especially becuase it's live and not online. 1/2 live plays much more like 2/4 online. So right there you're going ot have to double your BB amount needed. Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 so you're saying a 1-2 live game is harder than a 1-2 online game? I'd have to disagree strongly with you if that's the case.I can see measuring by the # of buy-ins, though. What was 15*300? I thought max buy-in for a 2-5 game was $500. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 so you're saying a 1-2 live game is harder than a 1-2 online game? I'd have to disagree strongly with you if that's the case.I can see measuring by the # of buy-ins, though. What was 15*300? I thought max buy-in for a 2-5 game was $500.No, I believe a 1/2 live game is proximately equal to a .1/.25 online game as far as skill (at times its even softer). What I'm saying is that because preflop raises are generally between $10-$15 or 5x' to 7.5x's the BB in lives games where as they are usually 3-4 online, the game plays much higher in terms of blinds. It's like playing a 2/4 online game as far as how healthy the pots are going to be. Taking this into account the variance at a 1/2 live game will be higher in terms of money than a 1/2 online game.15*300 is the roll I would suggest if you play in a game that let's you buy in for 150x's the BB(150*2=300). 20 *200 for games that let you buy in 100x's the BB or $2000 at 1/2. Link to post Share on other sites
bmwmcoupe 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 i use a min 20 max buy in rule, i would say you are playing out of ure roll, 8k min to play 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites
tufat23 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 OP should move down not up (assuming his BR is what he said)you've only got enough for 0.25/0.5NL and a once a week shot at the 0.5/1 (NL100) game maybe. NL1/2 is way beyond ure roll.minimum of $2000 to play the NL100, although $2500 is advisable. Link to post Share on other sites
kevin2536 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 It's not like I have only been playing for a month. I have been playing for a few years, but I am now taking it much more seriously than the past. I do not play online, so therefore the only live games I will find are 1/2 NL. If someone could help me understand why 1300 is not enough for 1/2. Is it b/c of variance, or maybe loosing a big hand and going broke? Link to post Share on other sites
tufat23 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 its enough if u can dip back in. Its just in case u hit a bad run.IMO good bankroll management is primarily there to help players cope with bad days. Put things in the 'big picture'.If you get stacked (its gonna happen many times) and ure BR is $325 like u started, u cant even rebuy for a whole stack.Again with $1300 getting stacked is 15% and say u were winning up to $400 and got stacked for that, it would be feel like around 1/3rd of your BR that disappeared. Its a matter of never playing with scared money and trying to reduce the chance of tilt.You said you've played for a while, so i guess thats not your whole BR.Personally I've never played at a casino, but most people tell me the standard of play sucks, and a good 0.5/1NL online player would clean up at 1/2NL at casinos easily. I still havent tested this out, but i'm very excited to do so.Maybe someone else knows more. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 It's not like I have only been playing for a month. I have been playing for a few years, but I am now taking it much more seriously than the past. I do not play online, so therefore the only live games I will find are 1/2 NL. If someone could help me understand why 1300 is not enough for 1/2. Is it b/c of variance, or maybe loosing a big hand and going broke?It's because losing 1300 in a 1/2 game can happen very quickly and sometimes through no fault of your own. That amount could disappear in a couple of hours. Now, if losing this 1300 is not a huge deal to you, you can continue to risk it and not be "wrong". You're taking a shot. You're having fun. That's OK. Most of bankroll management comes from the idea that you have a poker bankroll to maintain and losing it is a Very Bad Thing (e.g., you have to stop playing or you can't pay your rent).If your attitude is other than just taking a shot, then you'll have to start making suboptimal decisions to maintain your bankroll. For instance, if you're getting 3:1 from the pot on a flush draw for all your money on the flop, you can call if you're either properly bankrolled or you don't mind losing it all; but if that's your last precious money, you can't take that chance. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 It's not like I have only been playing for a month. I have been playing for a few years, but I am now taking it much more seriously than the past. I do not play online, so therefore the only live games I will find are 1/2 NL. If someone could help me understand why 1300 is not enough for 1/2. Is it b/c of variance, or maybe loosing a big hand and going broke?It's all because of variance. At my 1/2 live game, you only have 4 1/3 buyins. Even the best players can go ona run where they lose 4 buy ins and even if it's just a run where you lose 2 buy ins, you've lost half your roll and youre play will be affected because you're almost going broke.If u don't play online, then I would just say, be ready to go broke and dip in because there's no shorter game to play than 1/2. Link to post Share on other sites
petersun 0 Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I agree with most people here. I think you should keep playing 1/2 until you build more of a BR. After you get above 2500, you might want to go to the 2/5 table once a week and buy in short (300 instead of 500 or whatever) to see how tough the opponents are. Experimenting with limited risk is a good idea.At my site, the 0.25/0.50 NL tables are tougher than the $0.50/$1.00 tables FOR MY STYLE. So, occassionaly, I'll play for $50 bucks at $0.50/$1.00 table. So far, that's worked out well. Link to post Share on other sites
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