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I was drunk when I played this so I still can't get a clear head about how I did. Don't try that at home, kids..50/1 NL on UB.Hero on button with AKoffEP1 calls $1, EP2 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero bets $5, EP1 calls, all others fold.Flop 2 7 10 rainbow.EP1 checks. Hero bets $9. EP1 calls.Turn 8. EP1 checks, Hero checks.River 5. EP1 checks. Hero bets $20. EP1 calls. This was the 3rd hand I played; no read on EP1. My table image might've been LAG (assuming I can have an image from playing 2 hands) because the first hand I raised the pot on the flop after calling a preflop raise and checking to the raiser, and pushed out the original raiser.I want to post the results in a bit to get a feel for my play as I believe the result may offer some insight. I'm posting b/c I might just be full of shyt and still hungover.

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I very rarely raise out of position with drawing hands like AK, AQ etc... I'll usually take a flop and check raise top pair (depending on flop texture) hoping to trap a dominated hand. Just limping in here will disguise your hand immensily and you have a better chance of getting paid off on a favorable flop. Raising presents the following dillemma: You whiff on the flop and youre forced to make a continuation bet, only to get called. You slow down on the turn when you get no help and your opponent checks behind you. At this point you're still not sure where your at so when a blank hits on the river you fire at it attempting to move your opponent off second pair or worse, or hope that he has some kind of busted draw. However the river bet reaks of desperation and a savvy opponent will put you on AK, mainly because of your turn check. I made this exact play so many times and lost so much money before I finally tightened up my starting hand requirements from the blinds. Now the only time I'll reraise with those hands from the blinds are a) its folded around to a LAG button and he comes in for a blind steal , B) I have a reliable read on someone who opened up that I can outplay them postflop. Other than that I'm only poppin it with big pairs from that spot.Hope that helped... I dont have time to proofread this so if I rambled... sorryEDIT: Also, I'm a little confused about how the action went. If you're in the SB you're first to act on the flop... EP1 would have position on you

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Yikes, I was drunk. I must've been on the button instead of the SB b/c I know he was checking to me, that's why I fired the $20 on the river, because he double-checked. Does this make any difference to you?I like your opinion on AK in this matter and as I consider myself a very good post-flop player I think I will try the strategery out.He ended up beating me with a middle pair and lauded his "great call", but I consider it very risky (if not donky) on his part b/c of the lack of hands I had played and the amount he had to call.

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From the button Ill make a good sized (3/4 pot to size of pot) CB 100% of the time heads up... just like you did. However when he calls that bet on the flop you gotta slow down... what hands can he reasonably call here with? You said it was a rainbow flop... his smoothcall is screaming trips in my opinion. However, if you put him on 2nd pair and you're sure he's weak.. you have to ask yourself what the likelihood of getting this guy to fold could be. Is he the type of player to stubbornly call off his stack with any piece of the flop in that spot simply because youre on the button and he "put you on overs"? There are sooo many players at that level will do that at .5/1. Without any reads that this opponent is capable of making a solid laydown, I check the river with the intention of folding to a value bet, and hope he has 89 and checks behind me. You just simply can't plow through hands like that...from my experience people just aren't good enough to fold. Lord knows I've been there.EDIT: oops 89 would give him a pair... missed that turn card..

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From the button Ill make a good sized (3/4 pot to size of pot) CB 100% of the time heads up... just like you did. However when he calls that bet on the flop you gotta slow down... what hands can he reasonably call here with? You said it was a rainbow flop... his smoothcall is screaming trips in my opinion. However, if you put him on 2nd pair and you're sure he's weak.. you have to ask yourself what the likelihood of getting this guy to fold could be. Is he the type of player to stubbornly call off his stack with any piece of the flop in that spot simply because youre on the button and he "put you on overs"? There are sooo many players at that level will do that at .5/1. Without any reads that this opponent is capable of making a solid laydown, I check the river with the intention of folding to a value bet, and hope he has 89 and checks behind me. You just simply can't plow through hands like that...from my experience people just aren't good enough to fold. Lord knows I've been there.EDIT: oops 89 would give him a pair... missed that turn card..
Well, again, he was first to act in the hand as I was behind him on the button. I agree that his call preflop and cold-call on the flop bet screamed at least an overpair, but the reason I didn't put him on it at the end was b/c he checked to me twice. I checked behind him on the turn b/c I'm sure then that he's expecting me to bet, but on the river he checked again, so I guess I thought a 7/8 of the pot bet would kick out something like 44 or another AK. It comes down to him checking the river to me, really.Would you have bet when he checked the river instead of betting?
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From the button Ill make a good sized (3/4 pot to size of pot) CB 100% of the time heads up... just like you did. However when he calls that bet on the flop you gotta slow down... what hands can he reasonably call here with? You said it was a rainbow flop... his smoothcall is screaming trips in my opinion. However, if you put him on 2nd pair and you're sure he's weak.. you have to ask yourself what the likelihood of getting this guy to fold could be. Is he the type of player to stubbornly call off his stack with any piece of the flop in that spot simply because youre on the button and he "put you on overs"? There are sooo many players at that level will do that at .5/1. Without any reads that this opponent is capable of making a solid laydown, I check the river with the intention of folding to a value bet, and hope he has 89 and checks behind me. You just simply can't plow through hands like that...from my experience people just aren't good enough to fold. Lord knows I've been there.EDIT: oops 89 would give him a pair... missed that turn card..
Well, again, he was first to act in the hand as I was behind him on the button. I agree that his call preflop and cold-call on the flop bet screamed at least an overpair, but the reason I didn't put him on it at the end was b/c he checked to me twice. I checked behind him on the turn b/c I'm sure then that he's expecting me to bet, but on the river he checked again, so I guess I thought a 7/8 of the pot bet would kick out something like 44 or another AK. It comes down to him checking the river to me, really.Would you have bet when he checked the river instead of betting?
I'll still check the river behind him because the only thing that he's demonstrated to me so far is that he's a calling station. As I stated in my first response, your check on the turn is telling him that you missed your flop completely and your flop bet was simply a CB. Therefore he is hoping for a showdown with his check on the river, but I would say he'd be inclined to call with any piece of that board when you fire the river after it bricks. Your action throughout the hand is consistent with overcards. I swallow my pride, check behind him, hope AK is good, and move on to the next hand.
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You can put him on a medium pair if he called you and didn't reraised.He prob put you on 2 High cards which missed where he thought his pair was still good..the bet on the river is a little troubling as he prob think you're trying to steal after checking the turn.I would have checked. 3 reasonsyou hold high cards and could beat a bluff.if he holds nothing , you make no more money.if he holds a pair and you checked on the turn showing weakness he figured his pair was good.. then another low card on the river sealed the deal in his mind.he checked and was going to call... you could have saved the $20What would u have done if he had bet on the turn???

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Folded the shyt out of my hand. I guess I was playing me and not him. I never, never call bets unless I have a huge hand or am getting a good price to draw. EP1 is not drawing unless he's a fish. Therefore, I can only put him on a middle pair OR a set/big overpair after he calls my preflop raise and flat-calls the pot-size bet on the flop. But everything but a middle pair goes away after he still checks to me when the river blanks. So, I thought by putting what was basically another pot-size bet out there that a TAG like myself would lay down, say, a 7. He did not.I do agree that maybe I should've checked the river and cut my losses, but I think you were assuming that I bet at least partly b/c I thought my hand was good, when in reality I just wanted to push him off a middle pair. Ah well, swings a swing.

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The line raise preflop, bet flop, check turn, bet river on a board with small cards is almost always AK or AQ. The only way you win this hand is if you believe he is weak and have the gall to throw out another big bet on the turn. Even then he may still put you on AK and call. You will never win with making that bet on the river unless he has a busted draw and the only draw on that flop is a 89 or a gutshot draw. Like Crack said, I probably just check the river behind and hope AK is good and if not move on to the next hand. The only way I bet this river is if I know my opponent to be weak/tight and will fold a pair on the river after the way I played the turn. However, if my opponent is weak/tight I'm probably putting in another bet on the turn to take the pot down.

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As everyone else said, this late street bet is much better utilized on the turn. If I'm in your opponent's shoes and call that flop, and you check that turn, you better believe I'm at least check/calling the river (assuming it's not scary).You can actually use this line to your advantage when you have the best hand against certain opponents. Say you'd had AT instead. I'd probably end up betting all three streets, but if you felt your opponent was particularly weak and felt like risking a free card, you could pull the exact same line and get paid, because they "know" you're bluffing. Fair warning though...it's not a line that you should employ often. The circumstances have to be just right.Anyway...the point of all of this is...don't bluff non-scary rivers after checking the turn.

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I'm fine with the pre-flop raise. It makes sense for you to force people to pay to see the flop if you are sitting on AK on the button. You need to narrow the field.When you get called on the flop, that tells you something. He has either a draw or a hand. If you want to blast him off either, you need to bet the turn. When he checks, it tells you that he wants a free card for his draw, or that he has a hand, but he does not want to get raised off the hand and partially respects your pre-flop raise and the continuation bet.When you check the turn, you have either given him a free card to his draw, or you have told him that his hand is probably good now. When he checks the river, it tells me that he has gone into check-call mode, and you can only blow him off of that if you make a huge overbet or a perfectly executed post-oak bluff.Therefore, given that you checked the turn, it makes zero sense to bet the river. If he has a busted draw, you are going to win the showdown without the bet, so there is no fold equity here. Your river bet was effectively a bluff whose credibility was handicapped by your turn check.

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what were you doing on the river? was it a value bet or a bluff? what a useless bet , i also think your continuation bet was abit 2 large, u woulda gotten the same information by betting half the pot or 3 4
WOuldn't you say that betting 3 or 4 into a 11 pot reaks of weakness? If his opponent picks up on that, it's an easy probe reraise for him, and in this case you can't justify calling (considering how much he reraises). I would say that if you're going to bet the flop and the river, take that river bet and replace it with the turn, suggesting you've got JJ QQ, A 10, or even 9's or 8's which he can;t beat in this situation. The guy seems to be a pretty big calling station, so usually I would stay away from making any kind of bluff and try to value bet each street rather than trying to desguise the strength of your hand, because frankly, he doesn't care.
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