a foolish play?

[Rocketwadster 0]

Omaha Hi $0.25-$0.50 PL (real money), hand #101,267,572Table Abu Dhabi, 8 Feb 2006 4:54 PM ETSeat 1: pa ($5.50 in chips)Seat 2: St ($22.95 in chips)Seat 3: kr ($34.75 in chips)Seat 4: Ro ($22.75 in chips)Seat 5: Rocketwad0 [ JD,10H,7H,JS ] ($22.65 in chips)Seat 7: bi ($25.00 in chips)Seat 8: re ($9.75 in chips)Seat 9: cu ($17.90 in chips)Seat 10: mo ($4.75 in chips)ANTES/BLINDSbi posts blind ($0.25).Ro is on tilt tight now, just rebought about 2 hands ago. ALL other players that get involved in this hand are loose, but not agressive from what i have seen over the past 30 minutes or so.PRE-FLOPre calls $0.25, cu bets $1, mo calls $1, pa folds, St folds, kr folds, Ro calls $1, Rocketwad0 calls $1, bi folds, re calls $0.75.Not a bad hand to call a pre-flop raise from in position. Pretty sure that cu has aces or a lot of big cards when he raised there.FLOP [board cards JC,10C,3D ]re checks, cu bets $2.90, mo calls $2.90, Ro calls $2.90, Rocketwad0 bets $19.75, re folds, cu calls $14 and is all-in, mo calls $0.85 and is all-in, Ro bets $18.85 and is all-in, Rocketwad0 calls $1.90 and is all-in.cu put in a standard continuation bet, but then it got interesting, as mo AND Ro called that bet. With top set, I elect to pot it, which will basically put me all-in (which Ro ends up doing for me). I potted it to try to protect my hand, as straight draws and flush draws will definately be out there (I figured this based on them calling the first bet on that flop...maybe I am wrong). Was this a mistake, or should we be doing that in these situations? :? TURN [board cards JC,10C,3D,9D ]RIVER [board cards JC,10C,3D,9D,10S ]SHOWDOWNRo shows [ 2H,9H,3C,3H ]Rocketwad0 shows [ JD,10H,7H,JS ]cu shows [ KS,QS,10D,KD ]mo shows [ AD,9S,6C,AC ]Ro wins $0.10, Rocketwad0 wins $68.70.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Nope.I think your getting the right price. I wouldn't had folded here either.Got outdrawn?

[Rocketwadster 0]

Nope.I think your getting the right price. I wouldn't had folded here either.Got outdrawn?

Decisions matter, not results. :wink: Its there if you are interested. I don't want to sway anyone's answers though based on the results. 8)

[Vman96 0]

I usually don't feel too bad about getting most of my money in with top set on the flop in PLO. You're a favorite more often than not. If you lose...that's just tough luck then.

[Rocketwadster 0]

I usually don't feel too bad about getting most of my money in with top set on the flop in PLO. You're a favorite more often than not. If you lose...that's just tough luck then.

Isnt a wrap draw with a flush draw a favorite over a set? What about when you are up against a flush draw from one opponent, and a straight draw from another opponent? I had many opponents this hand, and checking on Cardplayer, was a very slight favorite over all my opponents holdings... :?

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

was a very slight favorite over all my opponents holdings..But if you win, you win a much much bigger pot, welcome to the variance of PLO.Say you are 35% favorite, the rest, say 3 players, combined are 65% favorite over. Every one will put down $100 even each time, will you take that gamble?I will do that each time.

[greatwhite 0]

I think people undervalue their top set in PLO. You need to be heads up against a flush draw and a 17 card straight draw to be a dog. If it will be multiway you are always getting a good price on your money, assuming that the set is the current nuts.

[Rocketwadster 0]

was a very slight favorite over all my opponents holdings..But if you win, you win a much much bigger pot, welcome to the variance of PLO.Say you are 35% favorite, the rest, say 3 players, combined are 65% favorite over. Every one will put down $100 even each time, will you take that gamble?I will do that each time.

I am having a very tough time handling this "variance". Last night, I opted to "gamble" in situations that are very similar to this hand, and lost both in a 2 minute stretch. $50 lost just like that. :evil: I checked the odds this morning on cardplayer for last nights hands, and I was a 54% favorite when the money went in on the first one (against one opponent), and a 39% odds of winning when the money went in on the second one (against 2 opponents) (Note: had the nuts at the flop when it went in, but cardplayer says I had like 39% when you look at the two opponents hands). Pretty sure I come out ahead over time with these odds, but man does it sting when you lose, especially back-to-back like that. I've been trying to take a new philosphy to the tables with me, in that you need to look at your decisions, not your results. Tough to do when you once again lose 1/4 of your bankroll (that you just re-built back up) in a 2 minute span. :x

[yeffy 0]

You're going to get the money in in these situations fairly often playing this game. You were only in real trouble here to a full wrap with the flush draw type hand. 89QK 2 clubs is kicking you in the pants otherwise meh.The statement that might be worrisome is:

Tough to do when you once again lose 1/4 of your bankroll (that you just re-built back up) in a 2 minute span.

I'm a gambler and I don't play these limits online to make a living so I'm not going to give a bankroll management sermon. But you need to be able to reload a couple of times in these games and be able to put the whole stack in on a hand like this. This might cause a leak in your game if you are playing too short and can't do that.

[Rocketwadster 0]

You're going to get the money in in these situations fairly often playing this game. You were only in real trouble here to a full wrap with the flush draw type hand. 89QK 2 clubs is kicking you in the pants otherwise meh.The statement that might be worrisome is:

Tough to do when you once again lose 1/4 of your bankroll (that you just re-built back up) in a 2 minute span.

I'm a gambler and I don't play these limits online to make a living so I'm not going to give a bankroll management sermon. But you need to be able to reload a couple of times in these games and be able to put the whole stack in on a hand like this. This might cause a leak in your game if you are playing too short and can't do that.

I know, but I currently am only playing on FCP, and this is the lowest table that they have. Hard to learn the game if you don't play... I am fairly certain that I make at least 75% of my decisions based on the correct play (meaning that I try not to look at it as if I am risking 1/8th of my bankroll on this hand). The other 25% are when I have good draws only and cant seem to pull the trigger on un-made hands...

[yeffy 0]

As long as it isn't in your head and holding you back then who cares...gamble it up. Hell I put my whole bankroll on a live $5-$10 PLO/PLH game 6 months ago, tripled my roll and then sighed a huge sigh. It was a rocking rolling super loose agro game that was too juicy to pass up. Of course one bad river and I'm back to building the roll or dipping into the money I make working my real job.But that night I was having a cigarette during the game with my friend who is an 80-160 to 150-300 LH pro and told him I put the whole roll on the table. He knew my situation and new it was semi-replacable. He told me as long as it wasn't scared money it was fine as the game looked about as good as you could ever find. Then he said just in case it's in the back of your mind, "try and lose the money." I said "try?" He told to me the next good hand I held to try to get the whole stack in on the flop. I did and won a medium sized pot, but the action of attempting to put it all out there was enough that I played without any fear for the rest of the session and did really well.