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[KingAustin 0]

Just wondering if I played this hand correctly. Players in pot are around 30 vpip up to 45 vpipParty Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP1 with [Qh], [Qs]. UTG calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (8.50 SB) [8c], [5d], [6d] (4 players)BB checks, UTG bets, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG calls.Turn: (8.25 BB) [2c] (4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG calls.River: (12.25 BB) [As] (4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 12.25 BB

[No_Neck 0]

looks good to me, probably don't want to bet out the river because anything that calls you is beating you. and there are way to many people in the pot to semi bluff. looks good. Maybe try a check raise somewhere if you are feeling frisky otherswise I think it is standard.I am still learning limit holdem though so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

[AlphaOmega 0]

Looks good. Most hands that would call your value bet are going to be hands that beat you on the river.

[zimmer4141 0]

Nice Hand sir

[hman888 0]

I would not have played it any other way. The river check makes sense for reasons cited by previous posts.I do not think thatattempting a check raise on the turn would have made sense. Given that there was only one more person to act after you, the odds are you would have been giving away a free card. I like the turn bet.

[Actuary 3]

I play it the samegoing for c/r bery risky on that board and you could miss huge value.betting river, I guess is only controversial street.

[No_Neck 0]

I would not have played it any other way.  The river check makes sense for reasons cited by previous posts.I do not think thatattempting a check raise on the turn would have made sense.  Given that there was only one more person to act after you, the odds are you would have been giving away a free card.  I like the turn bet.

are you really from Hong Kong?

[KingAustin 0]

thanks for the input guys. BTW, I won. They had Jh 9c, Jc 7c, and Tc Ts

[KingAustin 0]

Would anyone else find this a little disheartening?http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2...=24stats8bs.jpgI'll post my PT stats when I get 10k

[Actuary 3]

Would anyone else find this a little disheartening?

I'd be encouraged by the recent trend!

[amarillotg 0]

wow, im surprised by the responses.im betting this river against a bunch of loose players like the OP described. not sure of their AF but they all played this hand fairly passively.i didn't read what hands they showed down but i could see at least 2 of these players calling down with inferior hands.its probably close, but i think there is value in betting this river.

[Abbaddabba 0]

I dont like betting the river unless the field is going to reliably be showing down (and overcalling with) any pair and as little as king high.Otherwise, i think you get more calls from better hands than you do from worse hands.And the fact that they're passive makes me less inclined to bet the river. It means that, if they had an ace, they're still checking to you. With a more aggressive player, you'd have heard from most aces or two pair combo's if they act on it first - which means that when you're checked to, you're much more often going to be ahead.

Would anyone else find this a little disheartening? http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2...=24stats8bs.jpg I'll post my PT stats when I get 10k

Obviously it's disheartening. But it doesnt necessarily mean anything. From the last 5k hands ive played, im down 100 big bets. The 12k hands before that, i was up 360 big bets. By winratedropped from 3BB/100 to about 1.4BB/100. Thank god for bonus clearing is all i can say.Downswings are a whole lot less disheartening when you have that kind of padding to fall back on... which i only recently started.Im salivating at the thought of having another upswing while clearing bonuses. Im actually up a few hundred through the downswing because of bonuses.

[kouta43 0]

i think the play here is fairly standard for an overpair in a multiway field.Other option is to wait until the turn to pop it, but this is heavily dependen on both a safe card coming on the turn, and the opponent to your immediate right firing out again- none of which you can be sure of.

[hman888 0]

Yes, I live in HK. I grew up in the US, and took a job in Asia after graduate school. I am now based in HK, travel around the region quite a bit.

[wax120 0]

I think I check that river. With 3 people in the pot with me, I'm inclined to think that someone just hit their ace. I think it's a thin line between betting and checking there. I'm checking though. I would have played this hand the same way you played it all the way through.

[wax120 0]

I think I check that river. With 3 people in the pot with me, I'm inclined to think that someone just hit their ace. I think it's a thin line between betting and checking there. I'm checking though. I would have played this hand the same way you played it all the way through.

[econ_tim 0]

bet the river for value

[econ_tim 0]

ok, i made my response without reading replies and i assumed everyone else would give the same advicebut they didn't remember that multiway pots are easier to value bet than heads up potswhen we are heads up, we have to be good when called approximately 50% of the timewhen there are multiple players in the pot, we can be good when called less often and still bet for valuehere the pot is fairly large (12 BB) so anyone with a reasonable hand should call one more betand as long as the players aren't tricky, we can easily fold to a river raise

[Actuary 3]

Tim,in SSHE they recommend not betting into a multi-way pot when a scare card hits. But when it's HU/3-way, less likely it connects.I see the point, more players less times we need to be right.This also assumes we get called by everyone, a lot.And we won't when they don't have an Ace.We also fold the best hand some percentage of the time with a b/f line.

[econ_tim 0]

i just remember people call down with bad pocket pairs a nontrivial amount of the time in loose ring games

[Actuary 3]

i just remember people call down with bad pocket pairs a nontrivial amount of the time in loose ring games

yeah...And I'm SLAP.like I posted originally, the river non-bet is really the only discussable part.

[Guest Zach6668]

I'm going to agree with Tim on this one.As I've been reading through the responses, I couldn't believe how many people were advocating a check.I think there is definitely value in a bet here, as any PP will call, any 8, any 6, if they made it that far.IMO, sometimes you just have to suck it up and blindly bet that river.The thing is, you've shown an incredibly amount of strength the whole way through, so you are VERY unlikely to get c/r by a hand that you beat. I don't think very many Party villains are going to c/r here with just a pair of aces.I think if we were say first to act on this river, then c/c could be better, as any of 3 opponents could attempt a bluff, but we have already been checked to by 2 players, and there is only one left to act behind us.Anyways, I think betting is better than checking.- Zach