How do you play hitting a very small flush?

[Rhegium 0]

This hand I thought I played right and to be honest it has happened before but I never have been "caught" before with it. Weekly game of about 14 was divided on it. I was dealt 4 2 in the small blind on the first hand of our 14 player tournament. 2 tables with 4 prizes to be paid. Seven people at the table and it is a complete family pot of 50 chips per person with each person starting with 2300. Flop comes K Ten Jack and it checks around to the fifth player who bets 150. Button calls, I call and two others also call. Next card is the 5 and I check and it goes around to the raiser and he bets 300. Now to be honest with you, I figured percentages that I had the only flush. I thought though the Q or A was out there but not made yet and I decided to protect my hand with an all-in bet. People know me as aggressive, especially on a draw and I was hopping maybe a made straight or top pair or two pair would call otherwise I would have increased my chip stack by 60% on the first hand of the tourney. When I have done this in the past, I have seen many people throw away the ace of the suited board because they can't risk it and I did make my hand. Needless to say one player, an agressive kid had checked his nut flush, the original raiser folded and I was gone and the debate began. Before you critique my pre-flop and post-flop play, I like playing odds and I had to only call 25 to make 350 pre-flop (no brainer) and 150 on atleast 650 post flop which is less than 25%. Was this bad luck or bad play?

[Petoria 0]

Post in strategy, you'll get better responses.

[theredpill99 0]

pot is about 650 on the turn and you push all-in for $2300 ? I probably would have either just called or raised to $900 or something. All-in isn't that bad either since pot is 650. You have a flush and it is a 7 handed game. What are you protecting your hand against? Unless you think someone has 3 of a kind and is drawing to a full house. I always look at it as you want to get paid by lesser hands. Over the long run, you will likely make more by raising to 900 than pushing all-in. Since only guy that will likely call an all-in is a better flush or someone drawing to a full house.

[custom36 5]

*sniff* *sniff*What's that?Ohh...I recognize the smell...You lost to a higher flush, didn't you?

[Longshanks 0]

*sniff*  *sniff*What's that?Ohh...I recognize the smell...You lost to a higher flush, didn't you?

he said a guy checked the nut flush, go to bed you must be getting tired head

[custom36 5]

*sniff*  *sniff*What's that?Ohh...I recognize the smell...You lost to a higher flush, didn't you?

he said a guy checked the nut flush, go to bed you must be getting tired head

Hehe, yeah, I'm pretty tired. Family Guy's on in 5 minutes though. Just biding my time until then.

[Socko669 0]

I play that hand like this...pull out a gun, rob everyone in sight and leave.

[MisterFancypants 0]

There isn't really much you have to worry about protecting against except for other people on flushes and if anyone else is on a flush, chances are extremely good they are going to call, and if you're holding the the 2 and 4 and they've already made the flush, they've got you beat for sure because there aren't two other suited cards lower than the 2 and 4. I may have reraised the pot but I wouldn't have gone all-in. If someone else pushed, I'd most likely fold based on the fact that if they have a flush, they've got you beat, and they aren't likely to be pushing in with anything other than a flush (or QA for the straight, in this case, but one must assume they are aren't likely to push in a rainbow straight when a flush is in their face... whether or not this is likely depends upon who you are playing and what their stack looks like, of course).Yes, there is always the chance they have ace or other high club and are still on the draw because they only have one club, but I wouldn't push in on that hope unless there were some unusual circumstances, like everyone still in the hand being known for never check-raising or slowplaying.Some hands are hard to throw away. AA when the flop comes up with a pair that someone is likely to have a trip of, a low flush, etc, but sometimes you just gotta let the hand go.

[woopdidydoo 0]

There isn't really much you have to worry about protecting against except for other people on flushes and if anyone else is on a flush, chances are extremely good they are going to call, and if you're holding the the 2 and 4 and they've already made the flush, they've got you beat for sure because there aren't two other suited cards lower than the 2 and 4. I may have reraised the pot but I wouldn't have gone all-in. If someone else pushed, I'd most likely fold based on the fact that if they have a flush, they've got you beat, and they aren't likely to be pushing in with anything other than a flush (or QA for the straight, in this case, but one must assume they are aren't likely to push in a rainbow straight when a flush is in their face... whether or not this is likely depends upon who you are playing and what their stack looks like, of course).Yes, there is always the chance they have ace or other high club and are still on the draw because they only have one club, but I wouldn't push in on that hope unless there were some unusual circumstances, like everyone still in the hand being known for never check-raising or slowplaying.Some hands are hard to throw away. AA when the flop comes up with a pair that someone is likely to have a trip of, a low flush, etc, but sometimes you just gotta let the hand go.

Nothing else has to be said, except to the opening poster - Bad Play and best of luck pushing with the lowest possible flush.Good luck

[PimpRock 0]

^ ^ ^ I wish I could be Smash.OP..I have had a lot of problems with similar situations my self. My advice would be that, especially in a family pot like that, a raise would give you far more information than an all in push... Its more than likely that you will only get called by a hand that beats you that early in the tournament...If you raise and are pushed, you still got half your chips with low blinds and a lot of play left...

[dead money 1]

The fact that there were 3 other callers on the flop would tell me that there is a real good chance Im not the only one with clubs in the hand. I would have raise to 750 or so and if I got action from any of the checkers, I would be done with the hand. You would still be left with 1050 and have plenty of chips to move around with.

[Bill_Brasky 0]

Before you critique my pre-flop and post-flop play, I like playing odds and I had to only call 25 to make 350 pre-flop (no brainer) and 150 on atleast 650 post flop which is less than 25%. Was this bad luck or bad play?

I'm not going to bother answering your question because I see it's already been done, but I just wanted to say that this part of your post was classic.Edit: Don't check/raise here. It's an awful play. You have to lead.

[kook04 0]

*sniff* *sniff*What's that?Ohh...I recognize the smell...You lost to a higher flush, didn't you?

Even if the OP hadn't mentioned that someone had the nut flush, this post would have been useless. In light of the fact that he did, it's just stupid.

[blakheart 3]

Checking into a family pot is a huge mistake. Calling preflop is fine, but you must lead the flop and the turn. I am sure you did not even consider the player who had the nut flush, your passive play let him sneak under your radar. As played, c/raise all in is too big. Yeah, someone might make a big mistake, but with 3 s on board only A with a pair on board might make this mistake. Every other worse hand is folding, better hands are calling. A small bet gets 2 pair or a set to call, which is good.

[Bill_Brasky 0]

Checking into a family pot is a huge mistake. Calling preflop is fine, but you must lead the flop and the turn. I am sure you did not even consider the player who had the nut flush, your passive play let him sneak under your radar. As played, c/raise all in is too big. Yeah, someone might make a big mistake, but with 3 s on board only A with a pair on board might make this mistake. Every other worse hand is folding, better hands are calling. A small bet gets 2 pair or a set to call, which is good.

Wrong. That is an action flop and someone is bound to have hit it. A semibluf into a pot with a coordinated board and seven players is a terrible play. You're right about leading the turn though.

[CodyHartman 0]

to the OP's question...VERY CAREFULLY

[blackntan06 0]

Before you critique my pre-flop and post-flop play, I like playing odds and I had to only call 25 to make 350 pre-flop (no brainer) and 150 on atleast 650 post flop which is less than 25%. Was this bad luck or bad play?

I'm not going to bother answering your question because I see it's already been done, but I just wanted to say that this part of your post was classic.Edit: Don't check/raise here. It's an awful play. You have to lead.

i agree 8)

[MOMOwheeler 0]

Board is 4 to a flush and you hold the sucker-end of it...... make the minimum bet and high-tail-it if/when he check-raises.

[nritchi3 0]

Board is 4 to a flush and you hold the sucker-end of it...... make the minimum bet and high-tail-it if/when he check-raises.

Board was only three to a flush. Regardless this is an easy fold preflop. I don't care if your playing odds these cards are only gonna get you in trouble. Really what are you looking to flop here! If you flop two pair you could easily get beat by a bigger two pair or counterfitted on the turn or river. Your pretty much looking to make the nut stright a full house or 4 of a kind. These situations do not happen nearly enough to make this a profitable play. And as for the postflop play. The all in bet is a bit overkill by my calculations the pot was about 1000 and he bet 300. If you were to raise to maybe 1300 or he will put you all in if he has you beat and likely fold or call if he doesn't. At least this gives you a bit of an escape although i don't know if your at the level to make this type of laydown.