matt learns omaha h/l

[Mattnxtc 0]

Ok so ive been runnin bad at holdem so i figured id learn some omahabodog .1/.25 pl omaha h/l (9 handed)matt on button: 9 a a 8 preflop: 2fold, utg+2 calls, mp1 calls, 2 fold, matt raises to 1, sb folds, bb calls, both limpers callflop: j a 5 utg+2 bets .5, mp1 calls, hero raises to 5, utg+2 calls, mp1 raises to 16.10 and is all in, Hero raises to 22.23 and is all in, utg+2 callsis this alright?

[greatwhite 0]

Way too agressive. I would call the .50 on the flop and fold to a monster raise. You have the nut high, but it's a very vulnerable nut high.

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

There could be two approaches.The aggressive approach: Against 2 players your line is fine, it should be roughly ok you are getting the right odds, just don't tilt when you get out-drawn. It's a gambling fest. Mp1's delayed raise doesn't make sense, most of the time it's a desperate bluff+thin draw or a lower set. At the $25 level, you really can't define a player's hand.The conservative approach: not many turn cards will make you happy, a high card can make straight, a low card can make the lows, a spade can scare you as well, you may take a card and see what's developing on the turn. Oh well you can argue that there's a monster under the bed and you should be pushing for the small edges...If I just sit down I will take the conservative approach, if I've built up my stacks then I will gamble with other people's money.

[Mattnxtc 0]

hmm...so u think the best line was to just all the .50? I am new to this so im still tryin to figure out the whole theory behind omaha h/l...

[offset 0]

I'm new too omaha hi/lo too, but i i thought that that kind of hand is unplayable preflop. What kinds of AA hands should i be getting rid of preflop?

[greatwhite 0]

I'm new too omaha hi/lo too, but i i thought that that kind of hand is unplayable preflop.  What kinds of AA hands should i be getting rid of preflop?

I agree. Although you have the valuable button, this hand doesn't have a whole lot of scooping potential.

[Chamonyx 0]

.....not many turn cards will make you happy, a high card can make straight, a low card can make the lows, a spade can scare you as well, you may take a card and see what's developing on the turn.

This is the fundamental issue.....what will it take to make your hand comfortable max-betting the turn? one of 7 cards. Someone holding 234xs (for example) likes 17 cards (mp1 maybe?). With your hand, you really want to see another card as cheaply as possible, so if you hit the turn you can force the pace then.

[offset 0]

I'm new too omaha hi/lo too, but i i thought that that kind of hand is unplayable preflop. What kinds of AA hands should i be getting rid of preflop?

I agree. Although you have the valuable button, this hand doesn't have a whole lot of scooping potential.

What if it was AA4x? Is that enough scooping potential or do I need something else to make it playable.What about AA410 double suited in middle position? Recently I had this hand and scooped a 20BB pot, but i'm wondering if I was a little loose raising with it preflop.

[TGoldman 0]

If I just sit down I will take the conservative approach, if I've built up my stacks then I will gamble with other people's money.

How are you able to gamble with "other people's money" when the chips are part of your stack? :?

[HoosierAlum 0]

You have an equity edge against almost all of your opponents potential holdings, so your play wasnt horrible. However, it would be optimal to wait to see the turn card before you jam. Also, limping with AA98 single suited on the button in a PLO8 isnt that bad. You are trying to hit the nut flush or top set, and you did just that. Your hand selection will all depend on the table/limit/variant you are playing at. If this situation was fixed limit, I would tell you to throw the hand in the muck immediately. In this spot, I would tell you to raise the AAxx if you were sure that you could get the pot heads up. Remember AAxx is a favorite over every hand except AAxx with a better low. The truth of the matter is that you are at a low limit game and a pot sized raise preflop isnt going to do jack chit. You are better off limping this or throwing it in the muck.Commonly, a set, even top set on a scary board is better off waiting to see the turn card before all the $ goes in the middle.

[Rocketwadster 0]

In my limited experience in losing countless sums of money at this game, I have found that if you have only a high hand and there is yet to be a low on the board, then I would think that you want to make the guys going low pay to get half of the pot. As well, since there is two spades showing on that flop that aren't going to help you, make anyone drawing to a flush pay to outdraw you (and even if they do get there on the turn, you can fill up on the river). I would play it the same as you did, which probably means you played it totally wrong...

[Mattnxtc 0]

In my limited experience in losing countless sums of money at this game, I have found that if you have only a high hand and there is yet to be a low on the board, then I would think that you want to make the guys going low pay to get half of the pot. As well, since there is two spades showing on that flop that aren't going to help you, make anyone drawing to a flush pay to outdraw you (and even if they do get there on the turn, you can fill up on the river). I would play it the same as you did, which probably means you played it totally wrong...

haha i love the answer...b/c well thats how i feel about my play...i have no clue if it was good or bad. I will say that on bodog the play on omaha h/l is really bad

[KVOM 0]

I had a similar hand recently, with AAxx unsuited on the button and called the blinds. With 4 people in the pot the flop was AJ3. checked to my right who potted. I called as did SB. Turn is a 5, and SB pots. Original raiser calls. If I put SB on a made wheel and raiser on JJ (which they had), I have only 8 outs maximum for half the pot. I folded, and of course a 5 came on the river. My fold was still correct. Raising the flop would have worked, but as SB had 2456 he would certainly have called.