bcook823 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Phil has a great personality, when he is playing cards, when he feels comfortable. Phil is a top notch needler, showing he has a sense of humor. Barry Greenstein once said "these tournament players do commercials, appearances, ect. They make between 100k and 300k to do so. It takes days sometimes to get these things done. If they were truely the best players in the world, why not sit in the big game, and make that much or more, everyday?"I think Phil would agree with Barry, its not worth it to him....yetIf Phil could make millions though with some sort of endorsement deal, he would.I think Daniel and maybe Howard Lederer are different in that they can play in the big game, but because they are so popular, it is worth their time. Phil Hellmuth too, its worth his time. Link to post Share on other sites
fopkins 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 FULL TILT POKER?"Sometimes you just have to know when you're beat, and lay down"What, do you guys never watch TV or something?-fop Link to post Share on other sites
SAM_Hard8 50 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 i was wondering why phil doesnt have anything going except with his playing at full tilt... FULL TILT POKER?"Sometimes you just have to know when you're beat, and lay down"What, do you guys never watch TV or something?-fopWhat, can you not read a thread or something? Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 If Allen Iverson and "The Birdman" are marketable, Phil Ivey is Coca Cola's wet dream. Maybe he just doesn't want to deal with all that? No, it's blatant racism--that's it. I'm sure he's never been approached by any large companies to promote their product or write any poker books.Call Jesse Jackson, see if he'll march on the Bellagio to get this resolved. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 You've actually got it all completely backwards. The fact that Phil is young and black makes him 10 times more marketable than a white guy.I don't necessarily agree with this statement based on the core poker playing demographic.The market poker related products are after are 18-49 white males. IMHO Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJohnson724 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 I agree Ron 99.86% Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 I agree Ron 99.86%well FU and your .14% Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJohnson724 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 hahaha. I have to leave some room for error in your analysis. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Its probably George Bush's fault somehowGeorge Bush hates poker players.And Kanye West (does Kanye even play poker?)I'm gonna say he doesn't play poker, based on the fact that he makes more money rapping/producing than he ever could at poker. Link to post Share on other sites
BE EASY 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 I played holdem with an old man at Borgata recently who claimed that about 10 years ago he played $5-$10 stud with Phil Ivey everyday at the Taj. He said he spoke with Phil Ivey while he was in AC in 2004 for the 10K buyin tourney and Phil told him that since he had moved to Las Vegas he was up 17 million dollars.He also said Phil lost over a million at the craps table the same day.Who knows if there is truth to this, but the man didn't seem to have any reason to make this up, he just told me when the dealer brought up Phil Ivey Link to post Share on other sites
Spademan 94 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JERBS! Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JERBS!I'm talkin' 'bout, L-O-L-O-L-O-L-O-V-E, L-O-L-O-L-O-L-O-V-E. Link to post Share on other sites
primetime 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 there is no racism in poker?when you are playing in a casino and and look at your table...you dont think about what kind of players they are by the color of their skin or nationality they are? what if he is mexican he loves to chase...or if he is asian and he loves to gamble with 2 overs and loves to race? or a old man who plays like a rock...or a young white kid thats thinks hes DN or hanson and is super aggressive? Link to post Share on other sites
Longshanks 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 there is no racism in poker?when you are playing in a casino and and look at your table...you dont think about what kind of players they are by the color of their skin or nationality they are? what if he is mexican he loves to chase...or if he is asian and he loves to gamble with 2 overs and loves to race? or a old man who plays like a rock...or a young white kid thats thinks hes DN or hanson and is super aggressive?head meet mr. oven Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 there is no racism in poker?when you are playing in a casino and and look at your table...you dont think about what kind of players they are by the color of their skin or nationality they are? what if he is mexican he loves to chase...or if he is asian and he loves to gamble with 2 overs and loves to race? or a old man who plays like a rock...or a young white kid thats thinks hes DN or hanson and is super aggressive?Yeah.Good post. I love when those Mexicans chase. And then when they miss I push all my chips in to the middle and scream, "Guacamole, mother fucker!"..pure ignorance. Link to post Share on other sites
chappy3 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 THEY'RE TAKIN' OUR JERBS!POTY, so far Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 So many people say the Phil Ivey is the Tiger Woods of poker....man, Phily Ivey is the PHIL IVEY of poker!!enough said Link to post Share on other sites
hanski 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 there is no racism in poker?when you are playing in a casino and and look at your table...you dont think about what kind of players they are by the color of their skin or nationality they are? what if he is mexican he loves to chase...or if he is asian and he loves to gamble with 2 overs and loves to race? or a old man who plays like a rock...or a young white kid thats thinks hes DN or hanson and is super aggressive?Are you serious? This type of thinking is detrimental to your poker game. If anyone read that Gigabet thread and his post about Success and the right way to think about poker, he explains it beautifully. Don't come into games with a predetermined mindset of every player based on stereotypes. You never know what curveball someone is gonna throw at you. It's best to just observe everyone and every hand as intently as possible and form your opinions based on their play/actions. Hmm, my sarcasm detector is off tonight... I dunno if this post was necessary. Link to post Share on other sites
cjcjcj 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 he doesn't want it.He could make a fortune.Poker only knows one color. Greenthat is the greatest post ever. Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Phil Hellmuth too, its worth his time.He has no choice.He used to be good at tournaments - not anymore, so that's dried up for him as income. And he's never been a good cash game player at the high limits. Trading off his poker brat image is all he has left. Might as well milk that cow for all she has....The core audience of poker is predominantly male of European descent, and yet Phil Ivey is generally held in exceptionally high regard by anyone who has any inkling of what goes on in this world. You could say the same about golf and yet there is no player more respected in the game today than Tiger Woods. If there were racism at work, would Woods and Ivey get this kind of obviously deserved respect? Doubtful.Why do so many people hold Ivey in high regard? The answer is simple - he is almost universally acknowledged as a great tournament and cash game player and he doesn't act like a buffoon in public. He may not be loved as much as some of the more colorful (no pun intended) characters in poker are, but there are also fewer people who dislike him. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 George Bush is the reason we ever had a great depression, he is to blame for everything, including why phil ivey doesnt have a poker endorsement Link to post Share on other sites
primetime 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 why are you people comparing tiger woods to phil ivey....tiger is not black....he is 1/4 black....not half but a 1/4...his dad is half black and his mom is full asian.....just because someone has a afro doesnt mean he is black....the fact is...tiger gets his endorsements because GOLF is a major sport in the world...poker is a gambling game....its like apples and oranges....even my mom know tiger woods...if i said phil ivey....she would say WHO?......cmon stop this...phil said he made 17 mill since he moved to vegas many years ago..one poster has said....tiger made maybe 100 mill in one year... Link to post Share on other sites
joball33 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 why are you people comparing tiger woods to phil ivey....tiger is not black....he is 1/4 black....not half but a 1/4...his dad is half black and his mom is full asian.....just because someone has a afro doesnt mean he is black....the fact is...tiger gets his endorsements because GOLF is a major sport in the world...poker is a gambling game....its like apples and oranges....even my mom know tiger woods...if i said phil ivey....she would say WHO?......cmon stop this...phil said he made 17 mill since he moved to vegas many years ago..one poster has said....tiger made maybe 100 mill in one year... Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneKyle 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 Honestly I think Phil Ivey could care less. Anytime he is asked about being famous, he says "I don't look at myself as a celebrity, I look at myself as a poker player." If I had to guess, this is one reason why Phil is so successful. The man seems to have unlimited focus at the poker table. Also, has anyone seen any poker player on TV endorsing a non poker related commodity? I know I have not seen one.If Phil were to come out with a book or DVD explaining his madness, then I'd be one of the first in line to purchase it. Link to post Share on other sites
getarealjob 0 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 He has integrity, unlike other players out there.Yes. Make the appropriate inference here. Link to post Share on other sites
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