turning $50 into $500 on party, day 1

[AceOfSpaiDs 0]

Goal: Turn my minimum deposit of $50 at Party Poker into $500. Games will mostly be Limit Hold'em, and 7-Stud (H/L).Only my 2nd ever real money deposit online, but I have confidence, besides, everyone knows how soft party is.Day 1Day 1 (Tuesday, 2/22/05) - all games are ring Limit Hold'em and one $10+$1 SnGThe day started out well. I was playing solid, making smart folds, and only getting bad beaten a small moderation of times. I was sitting at a $1/$2 limit game, and went from $50 starting, up to $104. I was pretty content with that progress, but when I tried to fall asleep, I couldn't get poker off my brain, so i went back down and played some more. Bad idea, as I went on complete tilt (just like smash i guess) and was overcalling pocket pairs to boards I knew were trouble (I will be showing some hands) and all out just playing to many weak starting hands and overcalling middle pairs, or high pairs with low kickers. I went all the way down to 4.75. Which just blew my mind, I thought oh great, I'm gonna lose my buy-in on the first f cking day. Luckily for me, I sat down at a .50/1 (there was no one at lower limits) and won some clean pots, without getting too risky, the pot that won me the most there, was calling with A-K down to the river and winning $12-17 with ace high, lol. After that I played a $10 SnG and did well (should of won, but dude spiked a straight on the turn) and got 2nd, so I got $30. Putting me at 35.46. I played another SnG (this time only $5) and lost with my QQ to pocket 5's when the 5's hit a set on the flop (raises preflop, i pushed in, they called, a2, 55, and my qq, was the best hand b4 the flop like i figured). So my ending for the day was 29.46. A Net Loss of 20.54, but way better shape than I was in when almost out.Lesson of the Day: Never get to greedy when ahead for the day. I had doubled up in less than 2 hours and kept playing because I thought I could get higher and I was chasing hands I shouldn't of been, and calling when i shoulda been folding, and on and on and on.....Well for the those who read this far, here are some of my interesting hands for the day:***** Hand History for Game 1634936862 *****1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Feb 23 04:17:17 EST 2005Table Sand storm (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: DUBSUITED ( $54.25)Seat 2: hakujohn ( $46.25)Seat 3: Svetok ( $49.5)Seat 4: PokrDinosaur ( $59.5)Seat 5: pocket311 ( $42.25)Seat 6: mic83 ( $49)Seat 7: PSUBLOWS ( $67)Seat 8: greggraffin ( $44)Seat 9: xTHATSxHOTx ( $39.25)Seat 10: xixelpixel ( $51)xTHATSxHOTx posts small blind (0.5)xixelpixel posts big blind (1)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to DUBSUITED [ Qc, Jc ] DUBSUITED calls (1)hakujohn calls (1)Svetok folds.PokrDinosaur raises (2) to 2pocket311 folds.mic83 folds.PSUBLOWS folds.greggraffin folds.xTHATSxHOTx folds.xixelpixel calls (1)DUBSUITED calls (1)hakujohn calls (1)** Dealing Flop ** : [ Td, Ts, Ks ] xixelpixel checks.DUBSUITED checks.hakujohn bets (1)PokrDinosaur calls (1)xixelpixel folds.DUBSUITED calls (1)** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ] DUBSUITED bets (2)hakujohn calls (2)PokrDinosaur calls (2)** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ] DUBSUITED bets (2)hakujohn calls (2)PokrDinosaur calls (2)** Summary **Main Pot: $22.5 | Rake: $1Board: [ Td Ts Ks 9s 8d ]DUBSUITED balance $69.75, bet $7, collected $22.5, net +$15.5 [ Qc Jc ] [ a straight, nine to king -- Ks,Qc,Jc,Td,9s ]hakujohn balance $39.25, lost $7 [ 5c 5h ] [ two pairs, tens and fives -- Ks,Td,Ts,5c,5h ]Svetok balance $49.5, didn't bet (folded)PokrDinosaur balance $52.5, lost $7 [ Ac Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and tens -- Ac,Ah,Ks,Td,Ts ]pocket311 balance $42.25, didn't bet (folded)mic83 balance $49, didn't bet (folded)PSUBLOWS balance $67, didn't bet (folded)greggraffin balance $44, didn't bet (folded)xTHATSxHOTx balance $38.75, lost $0.5 (folded) xixelpixel balance $49, lost $2 (folded) Aces buster, a perfect hand to bust those pocket rockets, not a bad size pot right there (for this limit)***** Hand History for Game 1634967450 *****1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Feb 23 04:32:21 EST 2005Table Sand storm (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: DUBSUITED ( $74.25)Seat 2: hakujohn ( $41.75)Seat 3: Svetok ( $54.25)Seat 4: PokrDinosaur ( $60.5)Seat 5: keiste12 ( $50)Seat 6: mic83 ( $58)Seat 7: PSUBLOWS ( $64)Seat 8: greggraffin ( $38.5)Seat 9: xTHATSxHOTx ( $35.75)Seat 10: xixelpixel ( $30.5)hakujohn posts small blind (0.5)Svetok posts big blind (1)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to DUBSUITED [ Ah, 2d ] PokrDinosaur folds.mic83 folds.PSUBLOWS folds.greggraffin folds.xTHATSxHOTx calls (1)xixelpixel calls (1)DUBSUITED calls (1)hakujohn calls (0.5)Svetok checks.** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2c, Ks, 2s ] hakujohn checks.Svetok checks.xTHATSxHOTx checks.xixelpixel checks.DUBSUITED checks.** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ] hakujohn bets (2)Svetok folds.xTHATSxHOTx folds.xixelpixel folds.DUBSUITED calls (2)** Dealing River ** : [ 3h ] hakujohn bets (2)DUBSUITED raises (4) to 4hakujohn calls (2)** Summary **Main Pot: $16.25 | Rake: $0.75Board: [ 2c Ks 2s Ac 3h ]DUBSUITED balance $83.5, bet $7, collected $16.25, net +$9.25 [ Ah 2d ] [ a full house, Twos full of aces -- Ah,Ac,2d,2c,2s ]hakujohn balance $34.75, lost $7 [ Qh As ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- As,Ac,Ks,2c,2s ]Svetok balance $53.25, lost $1 (folded) PokrDinosaur balance $60.5, didn't bet (folded)keiste12 balance $50, sits outmic83 balance $58, didn't bet (folded)PSUBLOWS balance $64, didn't bet (folded)greggraffin balance $38.5, didn't bet (folded)xTHATSxHOTx balance $34.75, lost $1 (folded) xixelpixel balance $29.5, lost $1 (folded) perfect trap hand, was worried about flush until the ace came on 4th***** Hand History for Game 1634975431 *****1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Feb 23 04:36:25 EST 2005Table Sand storm (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: DUBSUITED ( $86.5)Seat 2: hakujohn ( $32.25)Seat 3: Svetok ( $49.25)Seat 4: PokrDinosaur ( $69.25)Seat 5: keiste12 ( $48.5)Seat 6: mic83 ( $56.5)Seat 7: PSUBLOWS ( $62)Seat 8: greggraffin ( $31.5)Seat 9: xTHATSxHOTx ( $34.75)Seat 10: xixelpixel ( $34.5)PSUBLOWS posts small blind (0.5)greggraffin posts big blind (1)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to DUBSUITED [ Ad, Kc ] xTHATSxHOTx folds.xixelpixel folds.DUBSUITED calls (1)hakujohn folds.Svetok folds.PokrDinosaur folds.keiste12 folds.mic83 folds.PSUBLOWS folds.greggraffin checks.** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8s, 9d, 6d ] greggraffin checks.DUBSUITED bets (1)greggraffin raises (2) to 2DUBSUITED calls (1)** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ] greggraffin bets (2)DUBSUITED calls (2)** Dealing River ** : [ 7d ] greggraffin bets (2)DUBSUITED raises (4) to 4greggraffin calls (2)** Summary **Main Pot: $17.75 | Rake: $0.75Board: [ 8s 9d 6d Jd 7d ]DUBSUITED balance $95.25, bet $9, collected $17.75, net +$8.75 [ Ad Kc ] [ a flush, ace high with ace kicker -- Ad,Jd,9d,7d,6d ]hakujohn balance $32.25, didn't bet (folded)Svetok balance $49.25, didn't bet (folded)PokrDinosaur balance $69.25, didn't bet (folded)keiste12 balance $48.5, didn't bet (folded)mic83 balance $56.5, didn't bet (folded)PSUBLOWS balance $61.5, lost $0.5 (folded) greggraffin balance $22.5, lost $9 [ Td 7h ] [ a flush, jack high -- Jd,Td,9d,7d,6d ]xTHATSxHOTx balance $34.75, didn't bet (folded)xixelpixel balance $34.5, didn't bet (folded) pull the flush out against a flopped straight while holding A-K***** Hand History for Game 1634984492 *****1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Feb 23 04:41:07 EST 2005Table Sand storm (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: DUBSUITED ( $82.75)Seat 2: hakujohn ( $36.75)Seat 3: Svetok ( $46.75)Seat 4: PokrDinosaur ( $68.25)Seat 5: keiste12 ( $61.5)Seat 6: mic83 ( $53.5)Seat 7: PSUBLOWS ( $59.5)Seat 8: greggraffin ( $28.25)Seat 9: xTHATSxHOTx ( $32.75)Seat 10: xixelpixel ( $31)PokrDinosaur posts small blind (0.5)keiste12 posts big blind (1)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to DUBSUITED [ Ad, As ] mic83 folds.PSUBLOWS raises (2) to 2greggraffin folds.xTHATSxHOTx folds.xixelpixel folds.DUBSUITED raises (3) to 3hakujohn folds.Svetok folds.PokrDinosaur folds.keiste12 folds.PSUBLOWS raises (2) to 4DUBSUITED calls (1)** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 9d, 8d ] PSUBLOWS bets (1)DUBSUITED raises (2) to 2PSUBLOWS calls (1)** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ] PSUBLOWS checks.DUBSUITED bets (2)PSUBLOWS calls (2)** Dealing River ** : [ 3s ] PSUBLOWS checks.DUBSUITED bets (2)PSUBLOWS calls (2)** Summary **Main Pot: $20.5 | Rake: $1Board: [ Jh 9d 8d 5d 3s ]DUBSUITED balance $83, bet $10, collected $10.25, net +$0.25 [ Ad As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Jh,9d,8d ]hakujohn balance $36.75, didn't bet (folded)Svetok balance $46.75, didn't bet (folded)PokrDinosaur balance $67.75, lost $0.5 (folded) keiste12 balance $60.5, lost $1 (folded) mic83 balance $53.5, didn't bet (folded)PSUBLOWS balance $59.75, bet $10, collected $10.25, net +$0.25 [ Ah Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ah,Ac,Jh,9d,8d ]greggraffin balance $28.25, didn't bet (folded)xTHATSxHOTx balance $32.75, didn't bet (folded)xixelpixel balance $31, didn't bet (folded) Nothing really exciting here, I just don't ever think I've seen Aces (rockets) dealt to 2 players in 1 hand before, kinda pissed me off, cuz I thought my rockets were gonna get paid off for once***** Hand History for Game 1635028550 *****1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Feb 23 05:05:32 EST 2005Table Sand storm (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: DUBSUITED ( $79)Seat 2: penang100 ( $72)Seat 3: Svetok ( $51)Seat 4: Grishlan ( $54.25)Seat 5: keiste12 ( $74.5)Seat 6: mic83 ( $42.25)Seat 7: PSUBLOWS ( $34.75)Seat 8: greggraffin ( $16)Seat 9: xTHATSxHOTx ( $12.75)Seat 10: mikeyr33 ( $31)mikeyr33 posts small blind (0.5)DUBSUITED posts big blind (1)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to DUBSUITED [ 8c, As ] penang100 folds.Svetok folds.Grishlan raises (2) to 2keiste12 folds.mic83 folds.PSUBLOWS folds.greggraffin folds.xTHATSxHOTx calls (2)mikeyr33 calls (1.5)DUBSUITED calls (1)** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9s, Jc, Qh ] mikeyr33 checks.DUBSUITED checks.Grishlan bets (1)xTHATSxHOTx raises (2) to 2mikeyr33 folds.DUBSUITED calls (2)Grishlan raises (2) to 3xTHATSxHOTx raises (2) to 4DUBSUITED calls (2)Grishlan calls (1)** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ] DUBSUITED bets (2)Grishlan raises (4) to 4xTHATSxHOTx raises (6) to 6DUBSUITED calls (4)Grishlan calls (2)** Dealing River ** : [ 9h ] DUBSUITED checks.Grishlan checks.xTHATSxHOTx bets (0.75)xTHATSxHOTx is all-In.DUBSUITED calls (0.75)Grishlan calls (0.75)Creating Main Pot with $39.25 with xTHATSxHOTx** Summary **Main Pot: $39.25 | | Rake: $1Board: [ 9s Jc Qh Ah 9h ]DUBSUITED balance $105.5, bet $12.75, collected $39.25, net +$26.5 [ 8c As ] [ two pairs, aces and nines -- As,Ah,Qh,9s,9h ]penang100 balance $72, didn't bet (folded)Svetok balance $51, didn't bet (folded)Grishlan balance $41.5, lost $12.75 [ Ks Kc ] [ two pairs, kings and nines -- Ah,Ks,Kc,9s,9h ]keiste12 balance $74.5, didn't bet (folded)mic83 balance $42.25, didn't bet (folded)PSUBLOWS balance $34.75, didn't bet (folded)greggraffin balance $16, didn't bet (folded)xTHATSxHOTx balance $0, lost $12.75 [ Kd Qd ] [ two pairs, queens and nines -- Ah,Qd,Qh,9s,9h ]mikeyr33 balance $29, lost $2 (folded) biggest pot [win] of the night, earlier (when i was tilting) I lost 30.00ish to pocket 10's that caught on the turn with KKMy eyes are tired from the small print so Im done with the hand posting for now, Day 2 will be Thursday (or late tonight) cuz I gotta work and since I didn't sleep much, I'll prolly wanna catch up

[KramitDaToad 0]

Oh dear... let the flames begin! You better hope that this is the only post on this thread, or else I can see this is going to get nasty...Good luck 8)

[AceOfSpaiDs 0]

Oh dear... let the flames begin!    You better hope that this is the only post on this thread, or else I can see this is going to get nasty...Good luck  8)

i really dont care, im just posting cuz im bored what the f ck else am i supposed to do, and what is there so much to flame about?

[KramitDaToad 0]

Would you like some constructive critcism?I'm quite happy to supply some if it's not going to offend...

[allinbluff35 0]

The fact that you can only afford a $50 deposit into an online site because that is where the "fish" are. What you should have done is deposited it onto stars or ub and played micros until you can afford to play higher.

[KramitDaToad 0]

Would you like some constructive critcism?I'm quite happy to supply some if it's not going to offend...

I'll take silence as acquiescence because I'm bored too, and hell, it may save you your last $29.46For starters, your bankroll as allin pointed out was too small to take on the limits you have started on. Unless you've got another $550 ready to go stay away from the 1/2 tables.This is one of the things Smash harps on about almost every day in his experiment. It's not Smash's idea though - its a figured thats been derived many times by our betters (in poker terms :wink: ) who have gone before us.Smash simply follows good advice.First hand. QcJc UTG. Fold.Granted it is a gray area as it can be played at a very loose & passive table, ie lots of limpers and little raising. However you don't want to be out of position with a pure drawing hand and if it does get raised behind you, you are now 2 bets in on a drawing hand, out of position, with a good chance that you are dominated.These are the reasons that this sort of hand is more playable in MP & LP.You managed to win this hand, but don't let that encourage you to play drawing hands up front.Second hand. A2o. Fold.A9 - A2 unsuited are useless in a 10 seated limit game. You need to hit a miracle flop to avoid trouble. They are so easily dominated as you were here against AQ.However you hit your miracle flop and then didn't protect it.With a flush draw on the flop there is no point playing this slow. Bet the flop and make the draws pay. Any one with 2 spades or a King and even a few fish with Aces will call a flop bet here.Then on the turn not to raise here is just as bad. The bettor can only have an Ace or is bluffing so he is either going to call any raise (and may even reraise the turn) and call any river bet with the ace or check/fold the river if you just call the turn and he is bluffing.You 'trapped' yourself out of 2-3 big bets here.Third hand. AKo and you didn't raise first in.You priced in a player who would've folded that only had to flop a pair to beat you. A player that probably would've folded 10-7o to a EP raise.He flopped a monster and you then had to hit runner runner to win...Fourth hand: yes nice coincidence - u played this well though, but who can't play bullets?Fifth hand: A-rag again. FoldThis time you call to a raise a cold caller and a small blind cold call. 99% of the time you are in so much trouble here.Then on the flop you call 4 bets to a gut shot (11-1) where by all the action you would be worried about facing K-10 and drawing dead to a runner runner split.There you go. Every hand here except the bullets you played questionably to downright poorly.You have some work to doNo flames and hopefully helpful.

[AceOfSpaiDs 0]

Would you like some constructive critcism?I'm quite happy to supply some if it's not going to offend...

I'll take silence as acquiescence because I'm bored too, and hell, it may save you your last $29.46For starters, your bankroll as allin pointed out was too small to take on the limits you have started on. Unless you've got another $550 ready to go stay away from the 1/2 tables.This is one of the things Smash harps on about almost every day in his experiment. It's not Smash's idea though - its a figured thats been derived many times by our betters (in poker terms :wink: ) who have gone before us.Smash simply follows good advice.First hand. QcJc UTG. Fold.Granted it is a gray area as it can be played at a very loose & passive table, ie lots of limpers and little raising. However you don't want to be out of position with a pure drawing hand and if it does get raised behind you, you are now 2 bets in on a drawing hand, out of position, with a good chance that you are dominated.These are the reasons that this sort of hand is more playable in MP & LP.You managed to win this hand, but don't let that encourage you to play drawing hands up front.Second hand. A2o. Fold.A9 - A2 unsuited are useless in a 10 seated limit game. You need to hit a miracle flop to avoid trouble. They are so easily dominated as you were here against AQ.However you hit your miracle flop and then didn't protect it.With a flush draw on the flop there is no point playing this slow. Bet the flop and make the draws pay. Any one with 2 spades or a King and even a few fish with Aces will call a flop bet here.Then on the turn not to raise here is just as bad. The bettor can only have an Ace or is bluffing so he is either going to call any raise (and may even reraise the turn) and call any river bet with the ace or check/fold the river if you just call the turn and he is bluffing.You 'trapped' yourself out of 2-3 big bets here.Third hand. AKo and you didn't raise first in.You priced in a player who would've folded that only had to flop a pair to beat you. A player that probably would've folded 10-7o to a EP raise.He flopped a monster and you then had to hit runner runner to win...Fourth hand: yes nice coincidence - u played this well though, but who can't play bullets?Fifth hand: A-rag again. FoldThis time you call to a raise a cold caller and a small blind cold call. 99% of the time you are in so much trouble here.Then on the flop you call 4 bets to a gut shot (11-1) where by all the action you would be worried about facing K-10 and drawing dead to a runner runner split.There you go. Every hand here except the bullets you played questionably to downright poorly.You have some work to doNo flames and hopefully helpful.

this is more helpful, and I realize now why Smash says don't play $1/2 with $50. After a poor SnG performance today, I now have exactly $1 in my account that can't be touched. Gonna take a break from online poker (real money) for a while, until after my birthday (next friday) when the money losses won't bother me as much.

[JFarrell20 1]

i've read only your first two hands and i can already see that you will add nothing substantial to this forum. Huge misplays imho. First hand you limp with QJ suited in early position? Either fold or raise. Then you chased your straight and made it. (on a dangerous board w/ possibility of boat).2nd hand you check the set on the flop last to act in a multi-way pot?! BAD.Players like you seem to be the reason why I hate limit.Warning: Unless his hands got much better after the first two, do not bother reading this stuff.

[cardo1971 0]

i've read only your first two hands and i can already see that you will add nothing substantial to this forum. Huge misplays imho. First hand you limp with QJ suited in early position? Either fold or raise. Then you chased your straight and made it. (on a dangerous board w/ possibility of boat).2nd hand you check the set on the flop last to act in a multi-way pot?! BAD.Players like you seem to be the reason why I hate limit.Warning: Unless his hands got much better after the first two, do not bother reading this stuff.

doesnt sound like there will be a day 2....................hopefully the end of this topic, can you say $50 to $1 in a day????????????????

[mfortune 0]

I have to say, of all places Party has the worst structure for SnG'sYou only start with 800 chips... if you don't get a good hand early on you are in trouble... and if you do play a hand to the river it'll cost you half your stack....Not recommended...If you are gonna play SnG's on Party do the 2 table ones... they've a better structure - although not by much

[KramitDaToad 0]

this is more helpful, and I realize now why Smash says don't play $1/2 with $50. After a poor SnG performance today, I now have exactly $1 in my account that can't be touched. Gonna take a break from online poker (real money) for a while, until after my birthday (next friday) when the money losses won't bother me as much.

Not being a 4-letter word, but the bankroll consideration is only applicable if you are a winning player.If your not, it won't matter how big your bankroll is.If the above hands are indicative of your game then you are not currently a winning player and you will continue to lose money.It doesn't mean though that you can't become one. A free helper is available with Smashes posts. Go back over all of them and work at understanding why he makes each raise, call or fold. Also look at the discussions and arguments that follow and again try to get into the strategies. What hands are good in small fields, what hands like lots of opponents, what position is best for your starting hands, reading flops as well as opponents betting, when and why to fold etc...Smash will be the first to admit his game is not perfect - because there is no such thing - which is why poker is such a brilliant game. However he is a winning player and it would be hard to find a play of his that is glaringly wrong, and the ones that are he will tell you why.All that said, Smashes posts are definately only a starting point, there is obviously a world of information out there - a lot of it free. Also $20 on a good book will pay for itself many times over and will always be there when you need.When you think your game is ready focus on only one aspect eg Limit as there are major differences between say a Limit ring game and a NL SnG.Play at a micro-limit, even .01/.02 for say 5,000 hands, preferrably a lot more. If your game is solid this should be enough to iron out variation and show a steady growth in a bankroll, regardless of your opposition.After that the game is your oyster so to speak - you can play as much as you want and will raise 'to the level of your incompetence' - meaning you can keep moving up as your bankroll grows to a level where your average opponent is a better player than you, until your skills increase and you move on of course... 8) This will be a lot of work, but if you love the game it is worth the effort as it means you can play anytime you want and the fishes will pay for you.The alternative is to wait until have $50 to spare and sit down for a few hours of game time, which might last a day or might last a month if you get a rush, but will run out eventually and you will be forced to wait until you come into some more 'spare' money - frustration

[troutsmart 0]

Take the $29.46 and go play 2c/4c and post some hands. Everybody is ragging on you, because it is easy to recognize you've made far too many errors to be a consistent winner. Don't get too down over this. I'd like to see you play those micro limits, post hands, and we can follow along. With time spent, and the brutally honest analysis of hands by winning players, you can become a consistent winner. I think a continued thread about an improving player would be equally benificial as that of a winning player, not to take away anything from Smash's thread.