GaryMorris 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I think you are wrong and would be willing to bet you on that any day. Phil could take anyone heads up any day he wishes. Don't be a fool! :shock: Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??I would bet on Beal every time in that matchup. Not that I think Phil is a bad player, but Andy's style would drive Hellmuth crazy. Phil would just get runover. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I think you are wrong and would be willing to bet you on that any day. Phil could take anyone heads up any day he wishes. Don't be a fool! :shock: Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??I would bet on Beal every time in that matchup. Not that I think Phil is a bad player, but Andy's style would drive Hellmuth crazy. Phil would just get runover. Maybe in no limit hold'em, but I would also take Beal in this match up. Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJohnson724 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is very interesting. Wish Negreanu was involved though. Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I know how FCPers love Annie Duke, so this is what she said on espn.com about Howard Lederer and the game...Adam Boston, MA: Any insights on the big match going on right now with Andy Beal? Why isn't your brother in the corporation this time? Annie Duke: (5:22 PM ET ) I assume my brother will play. There are a bunch of players that are going to play him, Todd Brunson, Ivey, Harmon, etc. I'm pretty sure the first day, Andy won. It's an interesting thing because people look at that and say that Andy has lost a lot to them. Interestingly enough, it's probably not as true as people think it is. Andy has spent a lot of years learning the game. He's improving and obviously he's a smart guy. It's the nature of limit holdem heads up and there is a lot of variance heads up. They are playing 50/100K with $10 mil bankrolls. Anyone who has played that knows that you can have 100 big bet swings at any time. The results will be very interesting. If it were a situation where it were a $10 mil bankroll with blinds at 25/50K, then I would be more likely to declare that the group would not lose. But this situations makes it much tougher for the group. Link to post Share on other sites
ChipLeader7 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Adam Boston, MA: Any insights on the big match going on right now with Andy Beal? Why isn't your brother in the corporation this time? Annie Duke: (5:22 PM ET ) I assume my brother will play. There are a bunch of players that are going to play him, Todd Brunson, Ivey, Harmon, etc. I'm pretty sure the first day, Andy won. It's an interesting thing because people look at that and say that Andy has lost a lot to them. Interestingly enough, it's probably not as true as people think it is. Andy has spent a lot of years learning the game. He's improving and obviously he's a smart guy. It's the nature of limit holdem heads up and there is a lot of variance heads up. They are playing 50/100K with $10 mil bankrolls. Anyone who has played that knows that you can have 100 big bet swings at any time. The results will be very interesting. If it were a situation where it were a $10 mil bankroll with blinds at 25/50K, then I would be more likely to declare that the group would not lose. But this situations makes it much tougher for the group. Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 This is very interesting. Wish Negreanu was involved though.Ya, I'd loved to hear his thought's on Beal's play, and his level of play compared to the top pros. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I just read the cardplayer article. I like how they said, "Play commenced around 2 p.m. PST and an hour passed with no significant scores, though Beal did take down a pot worth over $500,000." If that's the biggest pot he's taken down, I'm suprised he's ahead. http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/detai...42009d5b9d5092e Link to post Share on other sites
GaryMorris 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Then you would lose your shirt if you were to put your money where your mouth is, because you really don't know much! I think you are wrong and would be willing to bet you on that any day. Phil could take anyone heads up any day he wishes. Don't be a fool! :shock: Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??I would bet on Beal every time in that matchup. Not that I think Phil is a bad player, but Andy's style would drive Hellmuth crazy. Phil would just get runover. Maybe in no limit hold'em, but I would also take Beal in this match up. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Then you would lose your shirt if you were to put your money where your mouth is, because you really don't know much! I think you are wrong and would be willing to bet you on that any day. Phil could take anyone heads up any day he wishes. Don't be a fool! :shock: Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??I would bet on Beal every time in that matchup. Not that I think Phil is a bad player, but Andy's style would drive Hellmuth crazy. Phil would just get runover. Maybe in no limit hold'em, but I would also take Beal in this match up. Are we talking about the same Phil? I'm talking about Hellmuth. Link to post Share on other sites
yeffy 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Then you would lose your shirt if you were to put your money where your mouth is, because you really don't know much! I think you are wrong and would be willing to bet you on that any day. Phil could take anyone heads up any day he wishes. Don't be a fool! :shock: Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??I would bet on Beal every time in that matchup. Not that I think Phil is a bad player, but Andy's style would drive Hellmuth crazy. Phil would just get runover. Maybe in no limit hold'em, but I would also take Beal in this match up. How do you know anything. I'm not sure anyone has ever seen Phil Hellmuth play a heads up LIMIT hold'em match. Andy Beal would have an edge over him just by the nature that he has played HU LIMIT hold'em.If you are just looking for flame war action then pick something a little bit less rediculous than :Phil could take anyone heads up any day he wishes.to say. Or throw an SW in there if you want to make a joke. You have really provided neither a topic for decent debate nor anything humorous. I think you should be shot (sw...well sort of.....but only on the last sentence) Link to post Share on other sites
SuM827 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??You're joking, I hope. Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Phil won da heads up championship last year and could easily take down Beal. Comments??Different game, buddy. Link to post Share on other sites
denren 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 the problem i see with beal is that he studied game theory and he has a bottomless bankroll, but where are the hours that he has played at the highoest level/ top competition? i mean alot of players study game theory master it but they also play the game and still cannot compete at the big game in vegas. look at dream clown and gcc some of the top limit players online, they are some of the best online because they logged millions of hands online, but they still got taken down by daniel and i know limit holdem is not daniel's best game. where has andy beal been logging these hands and gaining expierence? i know from my own expiernce there is no better teacher than playing lots of hands. i mean if he's playing the 100/200 games somewhere or even the highest limit games on Ub, they still dont come close to the skill level in the big game. Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 the problem i see with beal is that he studied game theory and he has a bottomless bankroll, but where are the hours that he has played at the highoest level/ top competition? i mean alot of players study game theory master it but they also play the game and still cannot compete at the big game in vegas. look at dream clown and gcc some of the top limit players online, they are some of the best online because they logged millions of hands online, but they still got taken down by daniel and i know limit holdem is not daniel's best game. where has andy beal been logging these hands and gaining expierence? i know from my own expiernce there is no better teacher than playing lots of hands. i mean if he's playing the 100/200 games somewhere or even the highest limit games on Ub, they still dont come close to the skill level in the big game.300+ hours from 2001-2004 in the highest stakes games ever, and he fared really well considering his experience level. He was a net loser, but bettered many of the top pros. I think more was said about this on the previous page.Bottomline is I wouldn't doubt his ability at these levels. Link to post Share on other sites
moneymanbc 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 wtf? Jen Harmon is playing topless? Quite a strategy!! :shock: I say to Andy.... TP/MB Link to post Share on other sites
seacucumber 2 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Latest update as of dinner break from bluffmagazine.com:Road posting via TREO650Dinner time. no word on chip counts. spoke briefly with Andy he is happy with how everything is progressing...and he also said that he is having fun...which is the most important thing. I also over heard him say that he hopes jennifer remains in the game after dinner. unlike yesterday when todd and andy had dinner the sides went there seperate ways this evening...my one quote from jennifer..was "we are hanging in there". Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 the problem i see with beal is that he studied game theory and he has a bottomless bankroll, but where are the hours that he has played at the highoest level/ top competition? It would help if you had even a miniscule amount of knowledge about the things you post about. Link to post Share on other sites
deviper 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Road posting via TREO650ok...dinner break over. unofficial count going into evening session: Beal up 500k. jennifer seems to be done for the evening as she is standing behind the action. I can't confirm but it looks like it is david grey stepping up to the plate.... Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 It is now Ted Forrest vs. Andy BealNot David Grey Link to post Share on other sites
ICrushHomeGames 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 What I want to know is how Andy Beal hides his tells, especially against someone like Jennifer Harman, who plays by feel and can spot tells a mile away. Am I off here?As a sidenote, if David Oppenheim is as good as everyone says he is, then he should certainly sit down. Link to post Share on other sites
blueodum 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Read the book. Link to post Share on other sites
Got The Nutz 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 yes please read the book! Link to post Share on other sites
Rude Dog 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 You guys made me order it from Amazon...got it used, "like new", $8.50. Link to post Share on other sites
WeAllHaveToBleed 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 Did the stakes change?From what I understand they were playing 50k/100k, not 100k/200k... Link to post Share on other sites
brian67 0 Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 the problem i see with beal is that he studied game theory and he has a bottomless bankroll, but where are the hours that he has played at the highoest level/ top competition? That's pretty hilarious. He has logged more hours at the highest limits ever played than anyone else, and he was playing best players in the world. I really wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Beal. Factor in loss aversion, and i think that the pros are skating on a pretty thin edge, if any at all. Link to post Share on other sites
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