Redrum 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 "I'm just not very comfortable risking large sums of money on things that I don't have personal control over. "Its odd to hear that coming from a high stakes poker player....but I do understand your point. Without getting into names I was just wondering how you think some significant losses will affect The Corporation. What I mean by that is that The Corp isn't really a team at all. They were just a group of players who don't have the means to play at such high stakes individually, but as a collective they do. They were only brought together by necessity. I doubt any of them are really friends, or even associate with each other outside the poker room. As the (potential) losses mount and the pressure builds, blame, ego, greed, all come into play. I don't doubt the individuals on the Corp are better players and are overall winners against Beal over time. But who do you think has the edge over a period of 3 days?p.sI also took down my biggest pot ever last night with K3 when I flopped a house. BOOYAKKASHA! Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Tomorrow play will resume early in the daySounds like Beal got his starting time. Link to post Share on other sites
benhoug 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I doubt any of them are really friends, or even associate with each other outside the poker room.I'll let you off a little bit for your Ali G. Quote at the bottom of this post, but c'mon, that's ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites
The Czar 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 **** IT, I'm buying the book on lunch break. I haven't heard one person say they didn't like it. Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 censored IT, I'm buying the book on lunch break. I haven't heard one person say they didn't like it.That book was one of the most entertaining things I had ever read.Alot of good psychology stuff in there also...if you really dig.... Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Sounds to me like the same old song and dance....bankroll management.The Corporation doesn't belong in the game with a guy that has unlimited recources, and that won't grieve over a couple of million dollar lost, unless they have more than a billion to play with.Joking right? Why wouldn't you want to play with someone like that? When the money means nothing to someone in a cash game they tend to play worse than they would if the money meant something.You don't play against someone like that, because he is among the best HU limit holdem players in the world. I don't think it would be rediculous to say there are only 10-20 people in the world who would have an edge on him.And for those ragging on Barry G, he did only play Beal 3 times. Hardly a large enough sample size to determine his ability in this game. That said Andy definately has had a psychological edge on Barry. Link to post Share on other sites
Redrum 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 I doubt any of them are really friends, or even associate with each other outside the poker room.I'll let you off a little bit for your Ali G. Quote at the bottom of this post, but c'mon, that's ludicrous.you're right, it's total speculation on my part. But I think it's a lot more cut throat than the general public think, and they are really the equivalent business associates in any other occupation. I's respect the punani. Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 censored IT, I'm buying the book on lunch break. I haven't heard one person say they didn't like it.That book was one of the most entertaining things I had ever read.Alot of good psychology stuff in there also...if you really dig....Couldn't agree more. Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I doubt any of them are really friends, or even associate with each other outside the poker room.I'll let you off a little bit for your Ali G. Quote at the bottom of this post, but c'mon, that's ludicrous.you're right, it's total speculation on my part. But I think it's a lot more cut throat than the general public think, and are really the equivalent business associates in any other occupation. respect the punani.If you read The Professor, The Banker, and the Suicide King, I think you will find that the members of the Corp. are actually very colse. This is simply because they are the only people in the world who understand what the others' have gone through, and that play at these stakes. I could go into more detail but am lazy, so just read the book. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Good job im sure the members of the corp. need bankroll advice from you. They have plenty of bankroll and talent to compete in this game. If Beal should beat them for 20-30 mil it would not kill them as they have lots of borrowing power. A loss at these stakes would hurt sure but would not cripple them.UHHH...you are wrong.....They are playing at the "limits" of their bankroll.....They have no edge on beal...and I am telling you...they are one big card rush for Beal away from total disaster....Of all people...Mike Matusow thought the Corp. was crazy...he was right in this instance.If MM thinks you are crazy maybe that should tell you something. Link to post Share on other sites
Redrum 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 ok. You should read James Frey's book. Just because its in print doesn't t make it any more true. You'd get along with anyone as long as you thought it would get you a few mil. Link to post Share on other sites
benhoug 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I's respect the punani.Nuff Said. Link to post Share on other sites
yeffy 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 ok. You should read James Frey's book. Just because its in print doesn't t make it any more true. You'd get along with anyone as long as you thought it would get you a few mil.A lot of these people go out to dinner together, they hang out together, they all live in the same city. Jen Harman has said Doyle was like her surrogate father. They spend most of their time together and they're like a family. If you watch them interact you can see the comraderie. Link to post Share on other sites
telescop 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Barry Greenstein has gone on record saying that "The Corporation" probably has at most a 2% edge.Thats good enough for the casinos to make millions! Link to post Share on other sites
Rude Dog 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 It would be hard for them to hang with anybody else...how many can afford that lifestyle and keep the same hours/have similar interests?Somebody said Andy was up 1.6 mil. That's not much of a spread when you consider that in one pot, if nobody raises, and you call all four bets...$100k+100k+200k+200k=$600,000. Two of those is $1.2 Link to post Share on other sites
pwoblo 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 It would be hard for them to hang with anybody else...how many can afford that lifestyle and keep the same hours/have similar interests?Somebody said Andy was up 1.6 mil. That's not much of a spread when you consider that in one pot, if nobody raises, and you call all four bets...$100k+100k+200k+200k=$600,000. Two of those is $1.2That's the size of the pot, not how much someone wins or loses. At that rate it actually means +-300k per pot. Average pot is probably about 400k in reality so it's really +-200k per pot for each player. Link to post Share on other sites
Silly_11 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'd like to have the rake from that game. Man, that'd be sweet. Link to post Share on other sites
reedmcneal 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'd like to have the rake from that game. Man, that'd be sweet.Too bad there is a $3 max... Link to post Share on other sites
milbucksfans 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Just a couple thoughts:1. I've seen a few people say that AB's really been working on his game. I don't doubt that at all, but how does a guy like that work on his game? He's already read a few books and decided they weren't worth his time. He's not going to jump into a $500/$1000 game online as that's not worth his time either. I suppose he could review some tape of the Corp playing in televised games and that might help a bit. But how could you simulate the kind of action they're playing for on your own?2. The casino is not making much on this at all, aside from the avalanche of publicity (which is of great value to them). At least Bellagio didn't. I don't have the book in front of me, but I believe they would be playing for a time charge, not a rake. And I think it was something like $100/hour. I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
alf13 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'd like to have the rake from that game. Man, that'd be sweet.Too bad there is a $3 max...I believe that it's a time charge....$50 per half hour if I am right...per player......If so...I would like that rake...I'll even provide drinks and sandwiches.... Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I'd like to have the rake from that game. Man, that'd be sweet.Too bad there is a $3 max...hey, three dollars is three dollars Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Just a couple thoughts:1. I've seen a few people say that AB's really been working on his game. I don't doubt that at all, but how does a guy like that work on his game? He's already read a few books and decided they weren't worth his time. He's not going to jump into a $500/$1000 game online as that's not worth his time either. I suppose he could review some tape of the Corp playing in televised games and that might help a bit. But how could you simulate the kind of action they're playing for on your own?2. The casino is not making much on this at all, aside from the avalanche of publicity (which is of great value to them). At least Bellagio didn't. I don't have the book in front of me, but I believe they would be playing for a time charge, not a rake. And I think it was something like $100/hour. I'm sure someone will correct me if that's wrong.Their are ways to improve your holdem game by doing things other then reading books. Also i'd last time to prepare he played 100$ freezeouts with an employee. So I think he can play seriously for any amount of $ if he is putting his mind to it and doing it to better prepare himself for the heads up battles in vegas. Link to post Share on other sites
evenpar 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 does the wynn have 25K chips?i'm guessing they must.what did daniel use for his HU limit matches?They are using brown 25k chips. In Daniel's matches they used mostly yellow 1k chips, swapping out for 5k or 25k with the other player when needed. Remember that he played mostly 4k-8k, so the only time the bigger chips were tossed into the pot was in the pot limit Omaha game (Barry made a raise to $260k at one point and casually flipped 10 brown chips out).If anyone was interested, Andy was up about 3.6 million after yesterdays session. They stopped around 8:30 pm and I believe they were set to start again today at 10:30. Link to post Share on other sites
cigarbud 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Learn how to spell. Link to post Share on other sites
Rude Dog 0 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Sounds like a lot of money, but, they prolly get their rooms comped.Maybe the buffet? Link to post Share on other sites
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