this is how random donks go far in big tournys

[Desslock 0]

Then in the second hand mentioned he is also a donk being willing to risk his pair against a flush draw?Ok, how come if he is going for a draw he is a donk but when he is playing for someone against a draw he also a donk?

Because he doesn't have x-ray glasses.

Exactly - he called off almost all of his chips with an underpair to 2 overcards on the board, in addition to the flush draw. Terrible.

[DrLongstack 0]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!100k in the pot?Thate means that this guy put in alot of money in on the flop with a gutterball with a flush and a straight already on board!!!!! And he probably got raised too....This is on the short list of Donk plays of the year....and yes...i couldn't care less that he HAD to make the final call....it's the journey to that point that is so DONKalicious...WOW...what a hand....

Again, I disagree, without more information from the hand. The pot was most certainly raised preflop, lets assume "donk" raised preflop, and Barry called. On the flop the "donk" almost certainly bet out, and Barry, knowing he had nothing, called with his set of 10's being the best hand. Barry was trapping him obviously. Turn came, "donk" bet out huge, and Barry reraises allin (for very little more), and the "donk" HAS to call. He got lucky with the J, Barry was unlucky after having made a good read and getting all his chips in with the best hand, but that's poker. Have an aggressive bluff going on and then sucking out is not always donk play, as I strongly suspect was the case here. HOWEVER, I don't like the play by either of these guys after the flop.Flop: "Donk" bets, Barry cold-calls. Warning lights should go off in head of "Donk" unless he puts Barry on marginal or drawing. Barry cold-calls. Why? He was sure he had the best hand, but what if the "donk" had a high heart? What if he had a J? Cold-calling here just asks to get sucked out on, and while Barry made a good read, I like reraising allin here with your best hand and ensuring you're around for another hand.

What was he thinking getting all his money and getting called as a 10:1 favorite. What a donk. Doesn't he know that the guy might have a flush draw, in which case Grennstein is only a 4:1 favorite. Greenstein is horrible.

[DerekTah 0]

Then in the second hand mentioned he is also a donk being willing to risk his pair against a flush draw?Ok, how come if he is going for a draw he is a donk but when he is playing for someone against a draw he also a donk?

Because he doesn't have x-ray glasses.

Exactly - he called off almost all of his chips with an underpair to 2 overcards on the board, in addition to the flush draw. Terrible.

Maybe he read the draw and thought he would take the risk of a underpair winning the hand and was correct for doing so.

[Wingmaster05 0]

Scotty probably knew how this guy played (he had seen him donk bet small before) but figured he had some deception with check raising. If he pushes all in on the flop, the donk assumes scotty probably doesnt have much on that flop and may be more inclined to call. Too bad he didnt ahve enough chips to try any plays.

[SplashMaster 0]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!100k in the pot?Thate means that this guy put in alot of money in on the flop with a gutterball with a flush and a straight already on board!!!!!  And he probably got raised too....This is on the short list of Donk plays of the year....and yes...i couldn't care less that he HAD to make the final call....it's the journey to that point that is so DONKalicious...WOW...what a hand....

Again, I disagree, without more information from the hand. The pot was most certainly raised preflop, lets assume "donk" raised preflop, and Barry called. On the flop the "donk" almost certainly bet out, and Barry, knowing he had nothing, called with his set of 10's being the best hand. Barry was trapping him obviously. Turn came, "donk" bet out huge, and Barry reraises allin (for very little more), and the "donk" HAS to call. He got lucky with the J, Barry was unlucky after having made a good read and getting all his chips in with the best hand, but that's poker. Have an aggressive bluff going on and then sucking out is not always donk play, as I strongly suspect was the case here. HOWEVER, I don't like the play by either of these guys after the flop.Flop: "Donk" bets, Barry cold-calls. Warning lights should go off in head of "Donk" unless he puts Barry on marginal or drawing. Barry cold-calls. Why? He was sure he had the best hand, but what if the "donk" had a high heart? What if he had a J? Cold-calling here just asks to get sucked out on, and while Barry made a good read, I like reraising allin here with your best hand and ensuring you're around for another hand.

no chanceany player with a brain is not slowplaying a set of 10's on 3 suited, straight board

[SplashMaster 0]

Holy crap, it gets worse - this guy donked out again, and now eliminated Scotty Nguyen:From Cardplayer:

The player in the 8 seat raises to $25,000 and Scotty Nguyen calls. The flop comes Kh-Qh and an offsuit 5 and Nguyen checks. The 8 seat bets out $15,000 and Nguyen raises all in for over $40,000 in chips. The 8 seat makes the call, and Nguyen turns over Ah-8h for one overcard and the nut flush draw. Seat 8 calls with pocket jacks. The players at the table, fans on the rail, and the Borgata staff are all shocked that the 8 seat can make that call with J-J. But he did, and at the moment it's the right call. The board bricks out and the 8 seat's jacks hold up. Scotty Nguyen will not make it back to back WPT wins.

Gee, who could that player have been...from Poker Wire:

On a flop of [K][Q][3] with two [ ♥]'s and about 20k in the pot James Fletcher bet 20k. Scotty Nguyen pushed in for 150k and Fletcher immediately called. The players showed:  Scotty Nguyen [A♥][8♥]  James Fletcher [J][J]  The turn and river came blank and Scotty Nguyen was eliminated in 66th with $12,935.  Jon Zuckowski went home in 65th place with $12,935.

He's dethroned Kantor as the Donkey giant killer!

did he bet 15k and call 40k or did he bet 25k and call 150kthe 2 reports are not making senseif it was the latter(150k) horribleif it was the first he can't fold

[omahahilo 0]

you're right, we dont have all of the info as of yet.  however what we do know is that the blinds were at 800-1600, and that we can deduce that barry had probably put a lot of chips in relative to his stack by the time the turn card came. anyone that knows anything about poker [which often does not include more than half the field at these 10k events] knows that a top pro isnt committing a significant percentage of his stack at this point in the tournament unless he has a hand. yet this dude still bet out 35k with no hand.

He had the straight draw....sw

this is gonna hurt but ... you're one of the donks they're talking aboutmatt