is poker gambling?

[punk1o1 0]

v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles v. intr.To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest. To play a game of chance for stakes. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke. Personally I think it isnt...Poker is more skill than chance which in my opinion isnt gambling.

[Jordan 1]

poker is a form of gambling.- Jordan

[Mists 0]

Are you kidding?

[InertGrudge 0]

If you don't believe poker is gambling, do yourself a favor and kill yourself know, because you have no chance to survive Social Darwinism.You are the weakest link, good bye.

[DerekTah 0]

v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles  v. intr.To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest. To play a game of chance for stakes.  To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.  To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.  Personally I think it isnt...Poker is more skill than chance which in my opinion isnt gambling.

On that one I bolded yes its gambling. To say "well there is skill involved" doesn't make it any less gambling. It would only not be gambling if no luck was involved. If it was truly just skill then only one player would win 99% of the tornaments. Even the most skilled player who makes the most skilled play can be beaten at anytime.

[Spademan 94]

Some douche-nozzle said... and he probably wasn't a douche-nozzle, I'm just calling him douche-nozzle because I can't remember his name... but anyway some douche-nozzle said, and I quote:...well, I don't really "quote", because it's probably not exactly what he said, so I'm really just paraphrasing, sort of, paraphrasing isn't really the right word... but anyway this douche-nozzle said something like, "Poker is 99% luck in the short term, 100% skill in the long term."Anyway, his numbers aren't exact, but he's right in the spirit of his statement.Trust the douche-nozzle on this one.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Trust the douche-nozzle on this one.

betting with money on games of mixed skill and chance is 100% gambling.wether you can win based on skill is a proven fact, but still doesnt change the fact that its gambling.Is gambling wrong?, no of course not, why do people go broke and kill themselves over gambling? because they suck at life and lack intelligence.Why can poker be considered gambling if over a long run you win 100% of the time?, because the game involves set buy ins of cash, and betting, and luck can become the sole outcome in a session, resulting in the loss of your money.

[gmanshade 0]

i think this explains it:http://gutshot.com/articles/449.html

[Jordan 1]

I have AK you have 10sI can't use my "skill" to make AK hit a pair. I rely on luck in doing that.There. Poker is gambling . Discussion solved.Now, we obviously now the skill part that is a big factor in the long run of how you do with AK and 10s, blah blah blah...but in that basic, coinflip situation...it's luck. You can't skillfully flop an A or a K, or river a pair, or whatever...that's just luck. That's the gamble.To say poker isn't gambling, but then agree that it is "based" on an uncertain consequences, (which it is) is contradictory.- Jordan

[Abbaddabba 0]

It contains the element of gambling, but it isnt fair to say that it IS gambling.To say that it IS gambling implies that the reason people take part in it is to have money on the line, and to a certain extent, that it's a losing proposition. Because if it was a winning proposition, then the gambling itself wouldnt be the sole influencing factor. I hate to use the analogy; but for a winning and responsible player, the "gambling" element is comparable to trading stocks/shares/bonds. Successful traders find ways to hedge risk. It's no more fair to say that someone who plays well/responsible is "gambling" than it is to say that someone who creates and invests in a properly diversified portfolio is. The amount of risk that each are facing is comparably low. I'm playing 2/4 with an 800BB bankroll. When you consider that im routinely collecting rakeback and/or clearing bonuses, the risk of ruin is incredibly negligable. I have family members who have invested a significant amount of their net worth in a single company - and yet they're stupid enough to consider me the gambler.

[Jordan 1]

It contains the element of gambling, but it isnt fair to say that it IS gambling.To say that it IS gambling implies that the reason people take part in it is to have money on the line, and to a certain extent, that it's a losing proposition.  Because if it was a winning proposition, then the gambling itself wouldnt be the sole influencing factor.  I hate to use the analogy; but for a winning and responsible player, the "gambling" element is comparable to trading stocks/shares/bonds.  Successful traders find ways to hedge risk.  It's no more fair to say that someone who plays well/responsible is "gambling" than it is to say that someone who creates and invests in a properly diversified portfolio is.  The amount of risk that each are facing is comparably low.  I'm playing 2/4 with an 800BB bankroll.  When you consider that im routinely collecting rakeback and/or clearing bonuses, the risk of ruin is incredibly negligable.  I have family members who have invested a significant amount of their net worth in a single company - and yet they're stupid enough to consider me the gambler.

poker is a form of gambling.

- Jordan

[Royal_Tour 0]

It contains the element of gambling, but it isnt fair to say that it IS gambling.To say that it IS gambling implies that the reason people take part in it is to have money on the line, and to a certain extent, that it's a losing proposition.  .

No, this doesnt make much sense. Gambling doesnt need to be tied in with losing.thats a misconception. You could flip a coin HU with a player and put money down each time.This would be gambling, because you are betting on an outcomemathematically you should not lose any money because your odds are 50/50. But yet its still "gambling"

[Abbaddabba 0]

Err... it IS gambling in that case, because it serves no other function.To say that poker IS gambling implies that it is ONLY gambling.Gambling is only an element of poker.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Err... it IS gambling in that case, because it serves no other function.To say that poker IS gambling implies that it is ONLY gambling.Gambling is only an element of poker.

Now you're just talking crazy talk Abba,You could say roulette is just a spining wheel game with a ball, and "gambling" is just an element of this fun ball bouncing wheel game."Lets gamble" are words associated with betting and beting is deciding a set amount of money, or goods to be exchanged to a winner after the desired event has taken place.to say poker is a GAME is correct, add the exhange of funds and it becomes Gambling.it doesnt get any more clear cut than that

[pckt10s 0]

I gamble everytime I eat out.Yeah, I know it's a line from the Naked Gun

[Vatche 0]

anyone who thinks poker is not gambling is an idiot...the only way poker is different from everything else is the fact that u can control the odds to work in ur favor and make money in the long term, unlike any other game...but its still gambling.

[justblaze 0]

this argument is redundant. according to the dictionary definition of gambling, poker falls into this category. however, for the definition is woefully inadequate with regard to the larger question you are asking (i.e. you are asking this question with all the negative connotations western society has placed on 'gambling' in mind).

[Royal_Tour 0]

this argument is redundant. according to the dictionary definition of gambling, poker falls into this category. however, for the definition is woefully inadequate with regard to the larger question you are asking (i.e. you are asking this question with all the negative connotations western society has placed on 'gambling' in mind).

dont mind him, his parents are lawyers

[justblaze 0]

this argument is redundant. according to the dictionary definition of gambling, poker falls into this category. however, for the definition is woefully inadequate with regard to the larger question you are asking (i.e. you are asking this question with all the negative connotations western society has placed on 'gambling' in mind).

dont mind him, his parents are lawyers

ive had this argument with them. they dont understand. :roll:

[brian67 0]

Being a good gambler means finding edges and taking advantage of them. I think that's an acceptable way to look at all types of gambling, including poker.

[neverfold 0]

The only game that's played in a casino that can be played WITHOUT gambling is blackjack if it is beaten like the MIT team did.

[Royal_Tour 0]

The only game that's played in a casino that can be played WITHOUT gambling is blackjack if it is beaten like the MIT team did.

LMAO, wtf are u smoking over there in BC?This is a jopke right? card counting is a very small edge, and placing bets on a +6 or -6 edge is 100% GAMBLING

[Spademan 94]

The only game that's played in a casino that can be played WITHOUT gambling is blackjack if it is beaten like the MIT team did.

Every post I've seen you make is wrong.You're funny.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Now you're just talking crazy talk Abba,  You could say roulette is just a spinning wheel game with a ball, and "gambling" is just an element of this fun ball bouncing wheel game.

I suppose it's not entirely fair to say roulette is literally "just" gambling either. Gambling is an element of it. But gambling is the only relevant element of it. Everything else is just a front for the act of putting a wager on an uncertain, uncontrollable outcome. Unless those who play it have a fetish for shiny metal balls, or something. When a game has the potential to be a winning proposition, that's a pretty significant element of the game itself; the physical act itself notwithstanding. It's definitely a lot more fair to say that roulette "is" gambling, even if they're not completely equivalent. It's just that it's close enough.You wouldnt say that investing in a stock portfolio IS gambling, despite the fact that it contains an element of gambling. The difference is that you regard it as "risk" when it's outside of a game context. But you don't go so far as to say that it IS risk. Because that's stupid. It's not JUST risk. It's risk, coupled with an expected return.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Now you're just talking crazy talk Abba,  You could say roulette is just a spinning wheel game with a ball, and "gambling" is just an element of this fun ball bouncing wheel game.

I suppose it's not entirely fair to say roulette is literally "just" gambling either. Gambling is an element of it. But gambling is the only relevant element of it. Everything else is just a front for the act of putting a wager on an uncertain, uncontrollable outcome. Unless those who play it have a fetish for shiny metal balls, or something. When a game has the potential to be a winning proposition, that's a pretty significant element of the game itself; the physical act itself notwithstanding. It's definitely a lot more fair to say that roulette "is" gambling, even if they're not completely equivalent. It's just that it's close enough.You wouldnt say that investing in a stock portfolio IS gambling, despite the fact that it contains an element of gambling. The difference is that you regard it as "risk" when it's outside of a game context. But you don't go so far as to say that it IS risk. Because that's stupid. It's not JUST risk. It's risk, coupled with an expected return.

I understand what you're doing, and of course we all look at poker the same way,, thats why we post on this forum.But comparing poker to trading is pretty ridiculous.If you put DN and some random donk in a HU match, DN would have a huge favorite to win edge etc..Now you invest your money, and the donk sucks out 3 times DN is crippled and the Donk then finishes him off, You lost your money you invested on this "risk". except funny thing is, what you just did was gamble. You placed a bet on DN to win.Just like sports betting.Now you find out that sunkist had a great season, and you invest at low shares and spring comes and people are buying up oranges and orange juice like crazy, your shares go up, and you sell.You can sometimes guarantee a return on investment with trades and stocks, which is why it can be classified as risk, if you could ever "guarantee" a win in poker, then at that point, you could also consider it risk.