PokerTO 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Interesting read, did you approve this article before it went to print? The author was definetly NOT a poker player. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Here's the link.http://www.torontolife.com/magazine/index....m?listing_id=59 Link to post Share on other sites
MrConceit 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 That was an interesting article, all of it. It wasn't MUCH I hadn't read before, but a few of the quotes were interesting. The slant the reporter gave was also interesting. I do wonder if DN knew it was going to be written quite like that. Link to post Share on other sites
sportsbettingman 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Beautiful article.Written both artisticly and honestly. Enjoyable and educative.I walk away from it with even more respect for Daniel. It shows a bit of reality...not so goody-goody like a fan would write.The initial comments were surprising, but brutaly honest and candid.I like the lack of sugar coating. Once again...great read...thanks for posting the link.(on a side note...a friend of mine won his way into the WPT Aruba event...and was sitting between Phil Hellmuth and Annie Duke. He told me they are both the opposite of what they portray on TV...Phil is a very nice guy and not the whiner he protrays for the camera...and Annie is a B$#@h...not the sweetie role she trys to show. This brief hint of Daniels view agrees with my friend.)~Lance Link to post Share on other sites
poker_bull 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Why does the caption say "outside teh Bellagio" when he's clearly outside the Binion's Horseshoe casino? Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Why does the caption say "outside teh Bellagio" when he's clearly outside the Binion's Horseshoe casino?Probably because the person who wrote the cutline is an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
Eclypse 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Great article. Thanks for posting it. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I agree this was a great article. Not written like a poker writer, which was a nice change of pace. It was written in a way that a normal person could even enjoy it, and get some good info. Thanks for the link. Link to post Share on other sites
poker_bull 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 The one thing I didn't like about the article was on page 3 when the author brought up Daniel's comments about Annie Duke: “I can’t stand that woman,” he seethes. “Egotistical and overrated, in a nutshell.”Other than that, it was a good article. Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I liked the end where it discussed Negreanu's drinking and willy nilly high stakes play some years ago and his relationship with Jennifer Harman.One thing the journalist makes a point of is that a lot of Daniel's motivation comes from pride. So what’s he doing here? He’s playing for pride. The five-foot-nine, 135-pound Negreanu happens to have a canyon-size ego and, at the moment, he has a narrow lead in the race for the title of Card Player magazine’s 2004 player of the year. "I've always firmly believed that too much pride can get in the way of good poker." - Doyle Brunson"I call the most common reasons for bluffing 'The Three P's of Poker: pride, panic, and profit. " Profit only sounds good to me." - Doyle BrunsonJesus this looks a bit pedantic. But I guess what he meant is he's seen a ton of players go broke playing for pride rather than profit (uh, do ya think so, epi?). Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 The one thing I didn't like about the article was on page 3 when the author brought up Daniel's comments about Annie Duke:“I can’t stand that woman,” he seethes. “Egotistical and overrated, in a nutshell.”Other than that, it was a good article.I agree. In the same article, the journalist describes Daniel's ego as "canyon-sized." So what he means by "egotistical," new smear word, I dunno. And to say Annie Duke is overrated is absolutely ridiculous and very laughable. She just happens to be a measly 15th on the all-time money list. :roll: 1st Daniel Negreanu $ 5,618,496 2nd Greg Raymer $ 5,018,345 3rd David Williams $ 4,215,292 4th Phil Hellmuth $ 4,117,748 5th T.J. Cloutier $ 3,801,812 6th Dan Harrington $ 3,709,167 7th Erik Seidel $ 3,575,289 8th Johnny Chan $ 3,490,643 9th Doyle Brunson $ 3,202,225 10th Scotty Nguyen $ 3,199,335 11th Chris 'Jesus' Ferguson $ 3,194,328 12th Josh Arieh $ 3,170,598 13th Carlos Mortensen $ 3,154,328 14th Martin De Knijff $ 3,048,149 15th Annie Duke $ 2,945,447 16th Humberto Brenes $ 2,856,493 17th Men 'The Master' Nguyen $ 2,781,933 18th Chris Moneymaker $ 2,744,239 19th John Juanda $ 2,650,162 20th Barry Greenstein $ 2,575,021 21st Layne Flack $ 2,537,349 22nd Hasan Habib $ 2,513,091 23rd Dewey Tomko $ 2,422,325 24th Dave 'Devilfish' Ulliott $ 2,350,714 25th Erick Lindgren $ 2,288,989 26th David 'The Dragon' Pham $ 2,273,961 27th Alan Goehring $ 2,228,879 28th Howard Lederer $ 2,165,844 29th Phil Ivey $ 2,156,416 30th Huck Seed $ 2,124,944 31st Robert Varkonyi $ 2,000,000 32nd Mel 'Silver Fox' Judah $ 1,994,766 33rd Paul Phillips $ 1,992,898 34th Stu Ungar $ 1,970,050 35th Gus Hansen $ 1,836,156 36th 'Miami' John Cernuto $ 1,834,367 37th Chau Giang $ 1,807,865 38th Kathy Liebert $ 1,790,120 39th Berry Johnston $ 1,772,645 40th Surinder Sunar $ 1,761,374 41st Hoyt Corkins $ 1,758,503 42nd Antonio Esfandiari $ 1,680,555 43rd John Bonetti $ 1,665,193 44th Ram 'Crazy Horse' Vaswani $ 1,601,562 45th Tuan Le $ 1,601,412 46th Lee Watkinson $ 1,601,143 47th Hamid Dastmalchi $ 1,585,153 48th John Duthie $ 1,561,421 49th Sam Farha $ 1,541,212 50th John Stolzmann $ 1,491,444 51st Julian Gardner $ 1,489,752 52nd Marcel Luske $ 1,470,353 53rd Jay Heimowitz $ 1,443,308 54th Ted Forrest $ 1,441,304 55th David Chiu $ 1,440,339 56th Allen Cunningham $ 1,432,282 57th Andy Miller $ 1,388,588 58th Jack Keller $ 1,356,240 59th Mike Matusow $ 1,288,292 60th Dave Colclough $ 1,274,324 61st Temperance Hutter $ 1,242,255 62nd Jim Bechtel $ 1,219,448 63rd Tom McEvoy $ 1,215,077 64th Kassem 'Freddy' Deeb $ 1,179,312 65th Steve Zolotow $ 1,169,842 66th Brad Daugherty $ 1,161,872 67th Eli Elezra $ 1,156,531 68th Brent Carter $ 1,148,009 69th Glenn Hughes $ 1,140,890 70th Al Krux $ 1,139,929 71st Vinny Vinh $ 1,129,037 72nd David Benyamine $ 1,125,280 73rd Noel Furlong $ 1,114,802 74th Bill Baxter $ 1,097,498 75th Russ Hamilton $ 1,096,741 76th Eli Balas $ 1,074,951 77th Hieu Ngoc Ma $ 1,073,569 78th Can Kim Hua $ 1,073,139 79th Stan Goldstein $ 1,070,236 80th Mansour Matloubi $ 1,066,185 81st Tom Jacobs $ 1,064,506 82nd Chris Bjorin $ 1,061,772 83rd Amir Vahedi $ 1,003,166 84th Eric Brenes $ 1,000,000 85th Mickey Appleman $ 982,647 86th Paul 'Eskimo' Clark $ 967,070 87th Kirill Gerasimov $ 953,670 88th Phi Nguyen $ 953,364 89th Hilbert Shirey $ 947,798 90th Lucy Rokach $ 937,533 91st Hans 'Tuna' Lund $ 929,547 92nd Mohammed Ibrahim $ 926,977 93rd Robert Williamson III $ 916,169 94th Noli Francisco $ 916,055 95th Jennifer Harman $ 902,813 96th John Gale $ 890,600 97th Harry Demetriou $ 884,405 98th Justin Cuong Van Tran $ 878,185 99th Farzad Bonyadi $ 876,896 100th Jim Meehan $ 873,509 Link to post Share on other sites
poker_bull 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 15th Annie Duke $ 2,945,447 I wonder if that takes into consideration her $2 million win at the TOC after the main event of the WSOP. Link to post Share on other sites
sportsbettingman 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I should have done the research...but isn't that inflated by the purse from that single table of champions game (winner take all)...in which the other players had to face her (not having much experience playing with her)...and sitting across from her brother to boot?~Lance Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Yeah it takes TOC into account. That was a big pay day for a single table, sure, but she's been cashing for a decade. You can find her full tournament stats here:http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=74 Link to post Share on other sites
justblaze 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I should have done the research...but isn't that inflated by the purse from that single table of champions game (winner take all)...in which the other players had to face her (not having much experience playing with her)...and sitting across from her brother to boot?~Lanceand in which the players allegedly cut a deal to give her the title, while each got a piece of the 2m... Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Oh don't give me this stuff about Annie isnt overrated... she completely is. If she didn't win ONE SitNgo for 2 Million... she would be in 90th!!! If you play that same game 100 more times, she probably wouldn't win it again. She is an ESPN creation. Link to post Share on other sites
MrConceit 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 The one thing I didn't like about the article was on page 3 when the author brought up Daniel's comments about Annie Duke:“I can’t stand that woman,” he seethes. “Egotistical and overrated, in a nutshell.”Other than that, it was a good article.I agree. In the same article, the journalist describes Daniel's ego as "canyon-sized." So what he means by "egotistical," new smear word, I dunno. And to say Annie Duke is overrated is absolutely ridiculous and very laughable. She just happens to be a measly 15th on the all-time money list. :roll: Yeah, it definitely includes her 2 mil cash there, which is basically the bulk of all her tourney winnings (not to say she hasn't cashed other times, the link you gave clearly shows many other things, but they're a candle in the bonfire compared to 2 mil from the one event). She's very obviously a good player in the grand scheme of things, but everybody's entitled to their opnions, including DN's about her. You guys surely know some history and that there used to be horrendous bad blood between the two?Or do you? Anyway, regardless, him saying a phrase like that is nothing compared to yesteryear. They're very polite these days compared to past times. Link to post Share on other sites
bettor 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 No one who hasn't sat down at a table with Annie Duke and actually put in time against her can make anything close to an accurate measurement of her game. And without having gone up against other higher-level players ranking her amongst peers is impossible. My .02 Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I do know of the history, and I beleive Daniel's side of it completely....not because I'm a fan, because I was actually a fan of Annie's for awhile too... But because the things that have been said about her seem pretty obvious to me to be true. She seems very 2 sided, and I beleive without a doubt that her whole TV persona is a complete act. She is not as good as it may seem since you see her on TV so much, which is the case in a lot of instances. The bulk of her winnings is from one tournament... which wasn't even a tournament, it was a Sit N Go... She just seems completely ingenuine to me, and everyone can have their own opinion, but I think mine is the right one... and that's the beauty of opinions! Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 No one who hasn't sat down at a table with Annie Duke and actually put in time against her can make anything close to an accurate measurement of her game. And without having gone up against other higher-level players ranking her amongst peers is impossible. My .02For me, I am going by the numbers... She talks constantly about how she can hang with the boys and blah blah blah.... Well I'm still waiting to see it. She won an Omaha tournament.... Yay! Where is all the proof? One tournament? There's been about 100 since them, a lot of which I'm sure she has played, haven't seen her name mentioned once. If she's such a big womanly power, and can play with the big boys, where is she?She even said on TV... I have nothing against the womens tournament, but I think I can compete with the men. I love the women, blah blah.... YEAH RIGHT! Don't try to say you love to play with the women in the sentence right after you just said you won't! Completely hypocritical, and trying to make herself look so great... yet it's completely transparent. She is the one who's ego is inflated... but without a reason to be so. Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Suited_Up,I've never been one for the politics of personality, and I am aware of their history. But your comment about Annie Duke simply does not stand to reason. Admittedly, more than 2/3s of her winnings came from TOC, but even 90th on the all-time tourney money list puts her ahead of Jennifer Harman. Taking into account that this only goes back to 1994, so that's an avg of 100k yearly in tournament winnings for a woman. If any other of the players at the TOC had won, specifically DN it would have added significantly to their acclaim. Whereas because she won it you are using that to denigrate not only her play, but her past accomplishments as well. That's being one sided.Out Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Ok, well TOC aside. Annie Duke would be 90th... with 28 tournaments listed. Jennifer Harman is a spot or two below that, almost the same amount of winnings... with only 21 tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Well if you look at tournaments/years playing then that puts Harmen ahead. And I wonder why Harmen wasn't included in TOC.But this isn't a Harmen vs Duke issue.It's that Annie Duke is not overrated, and is easily matching Harmen for best female tournament player. Are there stats on cash game winnings, I have a feeling Harmen takes the cake here?Out Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I was actually going to bring up the same point about cash games. I was never intending to just talk about tournaments, just about overall skill basically... Although they both have skills... Harman plays in the biggest game, with the best in the world. Herself included. Annie's name couldn't even be whispered at that table. Link to post Share on other sites
PokerTO 0 Posted February 23, 2005 Author Share Posted February 23, 2005 After reading that I wonder how many horses he still stakes in the WPT events? Link to post Share on other sites
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