pm people and rules to live by.

[firstyearclay 0]

Who all is registered here and is registered at Poker Mountain? What is your handle at Poker Mountain? I would like to know who is who. Mine is cashisclay.Also some rules that I have noticed that work for me. Please feel free to add to them, make fun of them, or whatever. Thanks!!1. Do not MAKE it personal, just MAKE money.2. Do not chase hands that have no odds. 3. Whatever it is, no matter how small; STOP making mistakes TODAY not tomorrow. 4. Cardinal Rule: You are here to Make Money NOT Gamble. 5. Look at each hand as an investment and your timing is important. (position)6. Get out of tables you are losing at (bad luck etc.etc.etc.) or are unprofitable. Get up NOW!

[JFarrell20 1]

Who all is registered here and is registered at Poker Mountain? What is your handle at Poker Mountain? I would like to know who is who. Mine is cashisclay.Also some rules that I have noticed that work for me. Please feel free to add to them, make fun of them, or whatever. Thanks!!1. Do not MAKE it personal, just MAKE money.2. Do not chase hands that have no odds. 3. Whatever it is, no matter how small; STOP making mistakes TODAY not tomorrow. 4. Cardinal Rule: You are here to Make Money NOT Gamble. 5. Look at each hand as an investment and your timing is important. (position)6. Get out of tables you are losing at (bad luck etc.etc.etc.) or are unprofitable. Get up NOW!

Wow. Now I know how to play.....Thanks!-J

[firstyearclay 0]

Or was that sarcasm? Any thoughts you could add or anyone else?

[the_stein 0]

lol

[JFarrell20 1]

Actually, I was just busting your balls a bit, seeing as you are a newbie here. The first 5 rules make obvious sense, however, rule number 6 is too vague, and a huge over-generalization (same thing I guess...rather redundant really, repeating the same words)But anyway, not to sound didactic, but just because you are losing at a table does not make it right to leave immediately. (In the long run), in most cases, it makes more sense to stay put at a weak table in which you are losing in the short term, than to move to a more difficult table where you seem to be having short term 'luck'.Don't be scared to take a hit at a weak table for the first hour. It seems pretty much more common than you may think.

[poguemahone68 0]

Actually, I was just busting your balls a bit, seeing as you are a newbie here. The first 5 rules make obvious sense, however, rule number 6 is too vague, and a huge over-generalization (same thing I guess...rather redundant really, repeating the same words)But anyway, not to sound didactic, but just because you are losing at a table does not make it right to leave immediately. (In the long run), in most cases, it makes more sense to stay put at a weak table in which you are losing in the short term, than to move to a more difficult table where you seem to be having short term 'luck'.Don't be scared to take a hit at a weak table for the first hour. It seems pretty much more common than you may think.

I completely agree. I was in Reno this weekend playing at the Hilton (small ass poker rooom). I got on the list for the 4/8 and NL tables and sat down at the 2/4 table while I waited for one of the other to open up. I just got $60 in chips and began to play at what I quicky realized was the softest table I've ever seen. I started losing to insane callers who hit their miracles and was soon down to $8 in chips. I got those 8 chips in the pot with a good hand and started building back up. They called me for the NL table and I said, "no thanks, I'm fine right here"I spent the next 4 hours building that 8 bucks into $440. It was a lot of fun and sure I took some bad beats, but that table was golden and I wasn't going to leave just cause I was losing in the first hour.If anyone is ever in Reno on a Friday or Saturday night and you play low limits, you can do pretty well at the Hilton!

[cashmoneymomma 0]

This is something I always try to keep in mind when I am dealt my cards..."Playing too many hands up front is one of the most costly errors you can make" -Sklanskyand then if those questionable hands (that I didn't play) flop me a full house I try and keep this in mind..."Even though any 2 cards can win, random holdings don't win enough to be profitable" -SklanskyCan you tell I love Sklansky? :-)

[Suited_Up 2]

Quote from Daniel:"Stop reading Sklansky"Just sayin':-D

[Backler 0]

i'm registered on poker mountain as "Solinar" but thinking of changing my name to "JohnCrapper" because that's my handle on most other sites.I only have one rule for poker$$$$ -- Standard Tournament Play -- $$$$ Go all in, in the dark, pre-flop, 1st hand.You'll be a millionare in no time.

[JistTheFist 0]

I just got onto Poker mountain the other day to try and take advantage of their new promotions goin on.... to tell you the truth I just wanna play against daniel. my account name is JistTheFist. it's a pretty good site... I like it so far...

[cashmoneymomma 0]

Quote from Daniel:"Stop reading Sklansky"Just sayin':-D

I'm in love...can't help it :oops: I'll stop reading Sklansky when I stop winning money :wink:

[firstyearclay 0]

I guess I am more talking about online then live. Somtimes live you have no choice other than the few that have openings but, online is different. Sometimes I can be at a table that is over 40% to the flop and I am playing my best and now I am down $240 in 35 minutes. (just an example) Why fight it? What if I am down another $240 over the next 35 minutes? Why not move to another table that is just as loose? Sometimes I am convinced I will work through it and all that does is batter my confidence therefore putting me in a overaggressive position where I play out of character (or tilt). It may turn around your right, as statistically if its a good game then I should be proftable, BUT I also think that as the good player gives money to the bad player and the bad player gives his money to other good players (not returning my money to me) he then will soon be out of money and leaving the table and other players waiting because they see statistically that the action is good now replaces the bad player thinking this is a good table and now I probably wont get my money back. Wow that was a mouthful. I will put it this way. I am Player A. Player A is a solid player. Player B is loose and passive and on a card run. Player A has lost $100 to Player B because of bad luck. Player B loses money to Player C (a good player) because Player B could not break Player C's AA etc.etc.etc. and then the inevitable happens and Player B is now out of money and Player C is pointing across the table at Player A and saying "Haha you suck I have your money" and Player B leaves and is replace by Player D (a very capable player who is tracking the table and thinks it is a profitable table). Player D will not pay back Player A (in theory) only Player B's will (in theory) and now that the table is being replace with better players, Player A now should LEAVE the table and do what Player D was doing and find a better table. This is my logic. I am not going to leave the table because it is a good table and I have had SOME bad luck, I am saying I watch for the patterns of money shifting and when bad players run out of luck and they are replaced by good players, then it is time to move on. Any thoughts?

[JFarrell20 1]

I guess I am more talking about online then live. Somtimes live you have no choice other than the few that have openings but, online is different. Sometimes I can be at a table that is over 40% to the flop and I am playing my best and now I am down $240 in 35 minutes. (just an example) Why fight it? What if I am down another $240 over the next 35 minutes? Why not move to another table that is just as loose? Sometimes I am convinced I will work through it and all that does is batter my confidence therefore putting me in a overaggressive position where I play out of character (or tilt). It may turn around your right, as statistically if its a good game then I should be proftable, BUT I also think that as the good player gives money to the bad player and the bad player gives his money to other good players (not returning my money to me) he then will soon be out of money and leaving the table and other players waiting because they see statistically that the action is good now replaces the bad player thinking this is a good table and now I probably wont get my money back. Wow that was a mouthful. I will put it this way. I am Player A. Player A is a solid player. Player B is loose and passive and on a card run. Player A has lost $100 to Player B because of bad luck. Player B loses money to Player C (a good player) because Player B could not break Player C's AA etc.etc.etc. and then the inevitable happens and Player B is now out of money and Player C is pointing across the table at Player A and saying "Haha you suck I have your money" and Player B leaves and is replace by Player D (a very capable player who is tracking the table and thinks it is a profitable table). Player D will not pay back Player A (in theory) only Player B's will (in theory) and now that the table is being replace with better players, Player A now should LEAVE the table and do what Player D was doing and find a better table. This is my logic. I am not going to leave the table because it is a good table and I have had SOME bad luck, I am saying I watch for the patterns of money shifting and when bad players run out of luck and they are replaced by good players, then it is time to move on. Any thoughts?

There's this key on your keyboard called "Tab". Use it now and again. Or go back to 2nd grade and re-learn "Paragraph's", since it obviously escaped you the first time.

[MrConceit 0]

*snip*I will put it this way. I am Player A. Player A is a solid player. Player B is loose and passive and on a card run. Player A has lost $100 to Player B because of bad luck. Player B loses money to Player C (a good player) because Player B could not break Player C's AA etc.etc.etc. and then the inevitable happens and Player B is now out of money and Player C is pointing across the table at Player A and saying "Haha you suck I have your money" and Player B leaves and is replace by Player D (a very capable player who is tracking the table and thinks it is a profitable table). Player D will not pay back Player A (in theory) only Player B's will (in theory) and now that the table is being replace with better players, Player A now should LEAVE the table and do what Player D was doing and find a better table. This is my logic.*snip*

There's this key on your keyboard called "Tab". Use it now and again. Or go back to 2nd grade and re-learn "Paragraph's", since it obviously escaped you the first time.

Dude, stop being your totally insulting self when people are making sense. Your first post was right on because firstyearclay hadn't explained himself on his last point. He then explained himself (and was pretty understandable imo), but didn't seperate into different paragraphs enough for you. So you ignore what he said and yell at him to use "Tab".Anyway, his point is utterly valid, in the senario he gave, you should indeed leave. A lot of good tables do turn to crap when the worst 2-3 people bust out. He's talking about being sensitive to table texture and not just look at pot average, or just the fact that the table USED to be great.As long as he didn't just mean leave when you're down period, which he clarified.

[firstyearclay 0]

I can take constructive criticism farrell but, you are way out of line. I took the time to explain myself and it became an English lesson?This is about Poker I thought?Thanks MrConceit.

[JFarrell20 1]

I can take constructive criticism farrell but, you are way out of line. I took the time to explain myself and it became an English lesson?This is about Poker I thought?Thanks MrConceit.

When your primary form of communication is English, and your target audience speaks English, yes, everything is an English lesson. Is it that hard for you to present your point in a clear manner?? I'm just being honest, nobody wants to read that paragraph. It hurts. If you took 3 credit hours of graphic design in college you would realize how sickly that paragraph looks. I'm commenting on your style because that undoubtedly needs more help than your poker game.Sorry, J

[rog 0]

Firstyearclay: You are succumbing to superstition. If you are in a beatable game, playing your best and losing money, it's just a matter of time before you catch some cards and turn things around. Things wont be any different in another equivalent game. Dont let it batter your confidence, but make sure you are being honest about why you are losing. Are you titling? Take a break. Are you getting pummeled by another shark at the table? Switch tables. Are you catching bad cards? Sit tight, wait it out, and win some money. This is variance, and it can happen at any table anywhere anytime. Everyone loses pots...everyone loses a string of pots sometimes. It doesn't mean any more that it happened right when you sat down than if it happened when you were up a bunch. It's the same thing. Win some and lose some...just make sure you win a little more than you lose. Unless you're at my table.Rog

[firstyearclay 0]

Well here is an English lesson for ya. When I looked up Dork and Dilatory in the Dictionary, the spelling on both came back J-F-A-R-R-E-L-L-2-0.

[firstyearclay 0]

Firstyearclay: You are succumbing to superstition. If you are in a beatable game, playing your best and losing money, it's just a matter of time before you catch some cards and turn things around. Things wont be any different in another equivalent game. Dont let it batter your confidence, but make sure you are being honest about why you are losing. Are you titling? Take a break. Are you getting pummeled by another shark at the table? Switch tables. Are you catching bad cards? Sit tight, wait it out, and win some money. This is variance, and it can happen at any table anywhere anytime. Everyone loses pots...everyone loses a string of pots sometimes. It doesn't mean any more that it happened right when you sat down than if it happened when you were up a bunch. It's the same thing. Win some and lose some...just make sure you win a little more than you lose. Unless you're at my table.Rog

Rog good stuff and I will comment about all. When playing Poker Online I have found that in the medium limits it is a battle of math more than anything else. I play Tight-Aggressive and only call when the odds say so UNLESS I have a good read on an opponent, I have great notes on him/her or I am in a heads-up situation. These principles are the backbone to successful multi-tabling IMO. Without this strong backbone your consistency would greatly diminish. I simply do not say "Oh things are going bad so I have to leave", I take into consideration many variables about table texture before I get up and leave. I will not leave a profitable game unless their is some hard facts to back it up. Tilting is something that I and every other newer player needs to work on period. I can have 63 straight winning days like I did recently and then play three bad sessions in a row that will take 50% of my winnings; all because I played too long, angry, tired, or over aggressive. I personally know this is something I need to work on; so a great point by you. Thanks for the insight as it proves valuable.

[Smasharoo 0]

4. Cardinal Rule: You are here to Make Money NOT Gamble. Actually you're there to make money while gambling.Poker is gambling, it's just gambling where a better player has a long term edge over a worse player. Being the house in Roulette is gambling too, but you'll make money long term.

[Absolution 0]

Don't leave a table just because you're down. I sat at a 5c/10c table yesterday with $10 and ended up with around $5, but I was happy. I made one big mistake, but the rest of the time I just got sucked out on. If I'm continually getting sucked out on on the river I take that as a sign of a great table. It also made it easier that I was up more than that on the other two tables I was playing.

[rog 0]

Just to add to that, nothing earth-shattering here, but when you have people sucking out on you, it usually means the pots are bigger than average. Being down 20 BB is not such a big deal when there's 15 or more BB in every pot. It's much easier (for me) to remain composed when one pot would pretty much even me up, and 2 would make it a good night.

[firstyearclay 0]

4. Cardinal Rule: You are here to Make Money NOT Gamble. Actually you're there to make money while gambling.Poker is gambling, it's just gambling where a better player has a long term edge over a worse player. Being the house in Roulette is gambling too, but you'll make money long term.

I will explain this rule to because I think it is important. I am not playing to merely have fun, get an adrenaline rush, or just pass time. Lets say I cold call a raise with 55 and am now heads up with an opponent who I have NO prior knowledge on. The flop comes AQJ and my opponent bets and I raise the flop (Hellmuth style) just to see where I am at and then he re-raises me. I am not going to call that bet and then the turn praying for a 23-1 shot to bail me out when I could be severely beaten already. I will fold and find a more profitable spot. Why "gamble" here when even a pair of sixes can beat me? That is really what I refer to as gambling. You gamble when you make plays like this. I would be gambling even with a terrible cold call like that with players left to act let alone having a dopey pair of fives. Agreed Smash about your point though as this is just an explanation of what I mean when I say "You are here to Make Money NOT Gamble".