jeff_536 3 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 How others feel!?I said "I've cheated." And everyone with censored for brains starting have a fit. Don't play in the Negreanu Open the host is a cheater. Stupid. I said: "I can beat the game. I've cheated. Get over it." You're going to lose all respect for me if I have cheated!? For christ's sake, get ahold of yourselves.That's it.It's late. I'm going to bed so this is gonna be my last post on the topic.wrto, I would only lose respect for you if you still cheat.You were on my list of forum faves and this thread hasn't changed that.I respect what you bring to this forum and i think you were saying you have cheated in an attempt to stimulate debate and, perhaps, show support to a friend.I'm not a retard and I read just fine. I'm a newspaper editor with a reasonable IQ.if not friends, i hope we're still civil acquaintances. Link to post Share on other sites
mark33f 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I definitley dont regret blowing up about what you said I am just tired of posting the same thing I agree a simple "I regret what I done blah blah blah" would have stopped this whole thing so dont blame me Link to post Share on other sites
NickTheKid 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Do you have any respect for me wrto? ;D Link to post Share on other sites
TheMathProf 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 One quick note: "I've cheated", while being in the past tense, doesn't indicate how far in the past. It could be fifteen years ago, two years ago, last month, or earlier today... Link to post Share on other sites
Scott31 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Also all your name calling and swearing doesn't help you get your point across, you just end up sounding immature.He is immature. Anytime anyone remotely disagrees with him they can be sure to be a victim of his next verbal tirade. He also has a habit of calling everyone else stupid. If I remember correctly, wrto recently dropped out of college to be a dealer and got fired when he used his tip money to play with immediately following his work. My point is that if it seems like you're talking to an immature kid, you actually are. There are a lot out there and several on this forum. The biggest problem is the lack of remorse over his dishonesty. One can only hope he gets rid of it in the near future. I know I, for one, will be skipping over all future posts by wrto. Yep, that's it. No name calling or profanity. If you've ever played a sport, you know that the worse sign a player can get is to not have the coach care if you're not playing hard or trying. _______________________________________________________________The above line is for wrto to insert something like, "I don't care that you care" and whatever names he feels like spewing out. On a side note: I am a teacher and a coach in high school and I can tell you that I see quite a bit of wrto's attitude in the kids I coach and teach. I'm not exactly sure what the problem is, but I wish some form of Ethics would be taught in high school. At the very least, I wish it would be a requirement in college. It's odd how so many people can slip through without learning the little life lessons that everyone else seems to learn at age 16. Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Stein your a scum bag and you have no place on this forum. People who cheat/signal/angle shoot whatever you want to call it are just admitting to themselves they cant beat a game. Anyone who cheats doesnt belong at this forum or playing poker.Is this what you mean by name calling? Like using "scumbag"; and that they don't belong on this forum...This was the topic I originally responded to. Being a school teacher I would think you would understand to analyze all sides of a given situation. To solve a problem, you must know what exactly the problem is. But then again, they hand out teaching jobs like candy...especially coaching positions.PS. DUMB ASS Link to post Share on other sites
Scott31 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I read all the posts on this thread and you came off as someone with zero character. And I could've predicted you'd knock teaching, so let me give you some background on me. I actually did graduate college.....kum ( they censored it with the 'c') laude. Dropping out seemed like a good idea, but the easy decision is usually the wrong one. I was a triple major in political science, education and business. I'm close to getting my masters in International Relations and then I'll move on for my doctoral so I can teach college (although that day is far away). Still think you're the smart one? Right, it's everyone else who is dumb. I get it. As for coaching....yes, they do give those jobs out like candy. But I played some in college, so I think I'm qualified. My point of me being a coach was that I run into people with your attitude quite a bit in teaching, but the problem is more prevalent in coaching. I think most name calling is detrimental to any discussion, so let me say this: feel free to call me all the names you want. I'm sure you think they're clever and witty. They don't bother me. The cheating is a real problem though. The lack of remorse is a bigger one. I wish you all the luck in the world. Mostly I wish you'd find religion or ethics. Without either, it's going to be a bumpy ride. Take care. Link to post Share on other sites
MrConceit 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 OMG I think I'll reply to the actual thread. I have two laydowns. One that was utterly stupid first.This first one is rather a long time ago, I think it was 5/10, I'm giving this from memory, I only CLEARLY remember my hand and final board:I have TT in like UTG. I raise preflop, some mid guy 3bets, somebody coldcalls, sb folds, BB calls 2 cold, I cap all still in call. Flop is JQK. The flop is ugly but I have an open ended that's likely live unless somebody does have AT already. I bet, 3better raises, next guy coldcalls again, bb folds, I call. Turn is like a 2, I check, preflop-3better bets, we both call. River is like a 5.Final board is JQK[2][5]. Now first to act, for no real reason I fold to no bet because I missed my straight draw and was SURE I was beat, it wasn't HU remember. They check it through and it's 99 vs 88 and 99 wins. I was utterly livid at myself. I was at the river and folded for no reason other than disgust at missing and being sure I was beat.I learned a terribly revolutionary lesson to not fold to zero bet, and to possibly call for just 1 more bet if you're already at the river, though that mostly only applies to HU, not multi-way pots.Second hand was also a long time ago, and screw the details, I don't really remember. I had a suited connector, say 87 of hearts. I flopped a flush draw, by turn it was 3way. One guy was basically betting the whole way. I hit my flush on the river, and those two start getting into a betting war. Like first guy bet, I think I flat called for the combo of wanting the other guys overcall and deciding not to raise my 8 high flush. So it went - aggressor bets, I call, other guy suddenly wakes up and raises, aggressor 3bets. I'm like uh.... And almost time out, and decide to fold. Sleeper does cap and he's called. I was SURE the suddenly woken up sleeper had a higher made flush than me. It turns out it was a set vs two pair. I think the guy waking up had rivered two pair. Anyway I felt like an utter and complete idiot.So I learned from that also not to make silly laydowns without being Very Very sure. These were both quite a bit ago in my poker career. It's not like I never make hard laydowns anymore, but it's a lot rarer. There's so many crazy overaggressive people I tend to call down if I have any kind of strong hand.You can't even always tell if the people are utter maniacal fools or they read a bit too much 2+2. Those 2+2ers are crazy. Link to post Share on other sites
Drontier 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 My worst fold was at a casino, when I read a player for something stronger than he had. 5/10 NL, stacks about even at 500 a piece.(full table) I have QQ right before the button. everyone folds to me, i raise to 30, button folds, sb folds, bb calls. Flop comes AQ3. BB checks, i bet 40, bb reraises to 100, i reraise to 200, button calls. Turn comes A, button moves all in, I fold. I thought button had at least 2 pair on the flop, and after the ugly Ace turn, the only hand i could beat was 3/3. He ended up having A10...Thats my worst fold.Those folds you guys posted, you guys folded K10s and 4/4, not quads and straight flushes. I folded a boat. Its where you fold it that counts. Poker is about numbers and probability, any hand can hit a straight flush, they just dont have odds to. Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 well, in my beginning days, i was playing internet freerolls at pokerpages and pokerstars and pokerroom. well, in one of those freerolls, i turned top boat, and the river completed a potential flush. two people went all-in, and in my fatigue, i folded thinking "shit, they hit their flush."aseem Link to post Share on other sites
smurdogg 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I don't like the hate. OK worst fold, I had all my online money at a table, and I couldn't buy in for a while if I were to lose it, and I bet a pot all the way with a pocket pair, trying to get 2 guys off draws. One guy folded on the flop, one called to the river, then the third card of a suit hit, he bet 10 bucks less than all my stack, but the pot was already twice that much, and I folded only for him to show me ace high. considering I only had a pair of nines or so and it was a king high board it wasn't a terrible fold, but he showed me his bluff and I couldnt play. it stung like the dickens. Link to post Share on other sites
MrConceit 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 My worst fold was at a casino, when I read a player for something stronger than he had. 5/10 NL, stacks about even at 500 a piece.(full table) I have QQ right before the button. everyone folds to me, i raise to 30, button folds, sb folds, bb calls. Flop comes AQ3. BB checks, i bet 40, bb reraises to 100, i reraise to 200, button calls. Turn comes A, button moves all in, I fold. I thought button had at least 2 pair on the flop, and after the ugly Ace turn, the only hand i could beat was 3/3. He ended up having A10...Thats my worst fold.Those folds you guys posted, you guys folded K10s and 4/4, not quads and straight flushes. I folded a boat. Its where you fold it that counts. Poker is about numbers and probability, any hand can hit a straight flush, they just dont have odds to.Yeah I utterly agree with your final paragraph. Talking about hands you would have had when you intelligently folded preflop is kind of pointless. How many times can you fold 72o and see the flop of 772 or 22J. Those don't mean a lot.I have friends that act all bitter when they would have flopped something strong after folding trash preflop, it's like who cares? I tend to forget what I had preflop and just watch the hand for the way others play it. Link to post Share on other sites
Dane 0 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Cheater = Loser, its what you do when youre not good enough.Being a losing cheater, thats just so sad its funny. Link to post Share on other sites
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