Juandastyle 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Have you ever just not been able to get past a certain amount in your bankroll? You'll do well, then lose (varience), and just go on a roller coaster?Example:I recently deposited $30 ino pokerstars, and have worked that up to $180. However, it seems i just can't get past this number, or the high hundreds. Everytime i'm on a roll, i hit varience and either go back down to around 130, or i win a big hand and immediately after lose a big hand, one that i'm destined to lose (i.e. flop two pair when someone flops a straight)I play .10/.25NL cash games and $5/$10 sngs, heads up matches, as well as Low Limit MTT's.Anyone else have a problem like this, and any advice?-beaver Link to post Share on other sites
Timdog1010 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can never seem to get past $1000.Bu that could be because every time I get to $1000 or so I cash out $500-$600 and start over with a $400-$500 bankroll.Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it... Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can never seem to get past $1000.Bu that could be because every time I get to $1000 or so I cash out $500-$600 and start over with a $400-$500 bankroll.Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it...Do you still hate me? Link to post Share on other sites
MyPlayIsRAB 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 i seem to have the same thing. i think its a mental thing. likeoh shit im up from my 25 two days ago to 200 woooo then you donk off 50 quick.. yeah, its the same for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Timdog1010 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can never seem to get past $1000.Bu that could be because every time I get to $1000 or so I cash out $500-$600 and start over with a $400-$500 bankroll.Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it...Do you still hate me?grrrrrrrrrrr! Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can never seem to get past $1000.Bu that could be because every time I get to $1000 or so I cash out $500-$600 and start over with a $400-$500 bankroll.Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it...Do you still hate me?grrrrrrrrrrr!Don't worry, it probably won't happen again this week. I'd probably lay you 134:1 that someone else knocks you out. :-) Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Have you ever just not been able to get past a certain amount in your bankroll? You'll do well, then lose (varience), and just go on a roller coaster?Example:I recently deposited $30 ino pokerstars, and have worked that up to $180.However, it seems i just can't get past this number, or the high hundreds. Everytime i'm on a roll, i hit varience and either go back down to around 130, or i win a big hand and immediately after lose a big hand, one that i'm destined to lose (i.e. flop two pair when someone flops a straight)I play .10/.25NL cash games and $5/$10 sngs, heads up matches, as well as Low Limit MTT's.Anyone else have a problem like this, and any advice?-beaverVariance can suck. But if you had a proper bankroll to play .10/.25 nl and $5/$10 sngs, then you would be able to handle the losses better. To play .10/.25 nl you should have at least 25 buy ins. 30 or 40 would be even better. Same goes for the sngs. You just simply dont have enough money deposited in your account. You should try and deposit $200 and see if that makes a difference. If you are a TAG player, you can get away with having a slightly smaller bankroll. If you are LAG, then you should look to put in more. I hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites
Timdog1010 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can never seem to get past $1000.Bu that could be because every time I get to $1000 or so I cash out $500-$600 and start over with a $400-$500 bankroll.Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it...Do you still hate me?grrrrrrrrrrr!Don't worry, it probably won't happen again this week. I'd probably lay you 134:1 that someone else knocks you out. :-)I'll take that bet. I'll put $100 on it.Disclaimer: I'm not playing this week.Can we bet anyway? Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I can never seem to get past $1000.Bu that could be because every time I get to $1000 or so I cash out $500-$600 and start over with a $400-$500 bankroll.Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it...Do you still hate me?grrrrrrrrrrr!Don't worry, it probably won't happen again this week. I'd probably lay you 134:1 that someone else knocks you out. :-)I'll take that bet. I'll put $100 on it.Disclaimer: I'm not playing this week.Can we bet anyway?I am thinking no. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 When I first deposited $300 I couldn't get past $450. Then I finally had a great night and broke well past it with some positive variance. Then I got to $600 and couldn't break that because I had moved up to $1/$2. Eventually I started breaking even and then winning regularly. Now I can't seem to get past $1,000...every time I break $950 I have a horrible streak. But I guarantee that in a few weeks once I have some long sessions I'll break $1k and be on my way to $1200 and 2/4.Anyways, what I'm saying is that if you keep working hard and improving eventually you'll break any barrier. And if you play 100k hands and still break even, you need to find another hobby...or give you game a complete overhaul. Link to post Share on other sites
Pokerdad2222 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Not being a di.ck but flopping 2 pair when someone else flops a straight has nothing to do with variance. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Not being a di.ck but flopping 2 pair when someone else flops a straight has nothing to do with variance.Sure it does. If, over a number of hands, you are consistently playing correctly but losing money...that is negative variance. Flopping big hands but losing to even bigger hands for me falls under that catagory. What's your definition of variance? Link to post Share on other sites
Pokerdad2222 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Not being a di.ck but flopping 2 pair when someone else flops a straight has nothing to do with variance.Sure it does. If, over a number of hands, you are consistently playing correctly but losing money...that is negative variance. Flopping big hands but losing to even bigger hands for me falls under that catagory. What's your definition of variance?You can look at it that way, but I dont. yes sometimes you cant get away from big hands but i think its to hard to use this as variance because many times you think you played the hand correctly, you just couldnt get away from it when actually you may have made a couple of bad moves. Flopping a set or 2 pair to a straight is tough and hard to get away from depending on how the hand plays out. When I think of variance I think strictly odds. Getting the money in with the best hands everytime but going on a downswing during that time by losing more than the percentages indicate you should. I guess variance is kind of a grey area in its own way. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I agree with a lot of that. I have the limit mentality, though...where a lot of times you get money in with the worst hand but it is mathematically correct to do so.Without knowing how well OP plays I guess it's impossible to know if it's variance or not. I guess variance is kind of a grey area in its own way.Definately. And it seems like on forums the term gets thrown around a lot (I'm guilty of that)...and can convince losing players that they are just on a downswing when it really is their play. Link to post Share on other sites
Juandastyle 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 thanks for the replies from everyone, and the offtopic responses from two members.... ^^ bumpAfter posting, i am up to about $200 on pokerstars, and that's from placing 2nd in a $10 sng, and a winning session on .10/.25NL.I like to think my NL game has improved exponentially since i've started playing more cash games along w/ sngs. Honestly, i don't even care to play sngs too much anymore, since i've adapted my play more towards cash games.I think I'm just in a rut, and if i play my game, I'll do well. THX(almost to 100 posts... what a milestone... WEEEEE) Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I have a cycle (not that kind of cycle), a BR cycle. I win a ton for like 2 or 3 weeks, then for the next month or even 2 months, I stay at almost exactly the same amount. Then I go on another run. It's actually pretty strange. Link to post Share on other sites
speedz99 145 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Just be glad your cycle doesn't include losing a lot for weeks at a time. It's no fun. It took me over a month to come back from my last weeklong downswing. Link to post Share on other sites
ricker 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I have a cycle (not that kind of cycle), a BR cycle. I win a ton for like 2 or 3 weeks, then for the next month or even 2 months, I stay at almost exactly the same amount. Then I go on another run. It's actually pretty strange.My run is even stranger, I'll win a tourney at my local casino here on saturday for about 700 bucks, then the very next thursday, whatever tourney I play in, I win again usually for double that amount. Then I run through all that (proper bankroll management be damned). Not that I throw it all away on poker, mostly it's on real world stuff like presents...cause really tha'ts all I'm here for. Link to post Share on other sites
theredpill99 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Never could go past $2K on pokerroom for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites
Brisco 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Yea was steadily going up then suck out week happened. Followed by bet your full house into bigger full house week. Taking a few days off and then make another run at breaking thru to next level. Link to post Share on other sites
BNH77 0 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Just be glad your cycle doesn't include losing a lot for weeks at a time. Â It's no fun. Â It took me over a month to come back from my last weeklong downswing.Im in one of those down swings, its very tough to deal with... Im half way through clearing a $300 Bonus on Eurobet, but I have already lost $380 while attempting the clear 4 tabling .50/$1 NL Holdem. I have ran into a higher set then mine twice, Had AA cracked by K2, had a set of 9's vs a straight, and had trip K's w/ an Ace kicker run into 9's Full of K's.Is that variance? Link to post Share on other sites
erac22 0 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Don't know if anyone has shared this experience, but I go through much larger swings on pokerstars than i do on pokerroom, the other site I play on. At the same limits, (50 nl) i've gone through 700 dollar swings in a week on stars, and I plateau much more often, whereas my biggest swing on pokerroom is around 200. this is over the course of about 6 months. i think part of it is that the players at stars cash games are just better. Anyone else experience larger swings on pokerstars? (btw, I've stopped playing there as of a week ago) Link to post Share on other sites
erac22 0 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Just be glad your cycle doesn't include losing a lot for weeks at a time. It's no fun. It took me over a month to come back from my last weeklong downswing.Im in one of those down swings, its very tough to deal with... Im half way through clearing a $300 Bonus on Eurobet, but I have already lost $380 while attempting the clear 4 tabling .50/$1 NL Holdem. I have ran into a higher set then mine twice, Had AA cracked by K2, had a set of 9's vs a straight, and had trip K's w/ an Ace kicker run into 9's Full of K's.Is that variance?I'd say going broke on set to overset, smaller boat to larger boat, and k high flush to Ace high flush where both your cards play are variance. i generally can't get away from flopped set to flopped straight, and will usually go broke. i think it's possibly to escape that, but it still sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoPoker 0 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I'm having the same problem as redpill...2K on pokerroom <---my B.R has been stuck there for some time, mind u i am back in school now and not playin as much but still, i think PR might have some kind of conspiracy goin........ Link to post Share on other sites
koolromeo 0 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 i got stuck at 10k. i was building steadily for a year, but i could not get to 11k. this lasted from july until december. luckily i stayed pretty much even, but i had some terrible beats. i couldn't make a hand hold up for about 2 months. it was scary. i was actually dreading playing. the new year brought a turn around. i have only had 2 losing sessions so far this year. so hang in there. it will come around if you keep plugging away. Link to post Share on other sites
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