jarvis5150 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 My question is:Could your hand beat either of the other two? Link to post Share on other sites
Fubar The Sperm 1 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 My 5 dollar SNG just frooze for 5 minutes and the timer for blinds kept going? should I ask for a $5.50 refund? Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 5 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 My 5 dollar SNG just frooze for 5 minutes and the timer for blinds kept going? should I ask for a $5.50 refund?Immediately. Link to post Share on other sites
Municipal Hare 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 My 5 dollar SNG just frooze for 5 minutes and the timer for blinds kept going? should I ask for a $5.50 refund?Next time kill and restart the program in taskmgr.exe. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I commend the OP for reporting the actions of these players. It is okay to check it down. It is not okay to discuss it at the table. The limits are irrelevant. Link to post Share on other sites
rick_bays 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Checking it down is what they should do. Â They shouldn't need to communicate to do so. Â Maybe it becomes collusion since they discussed.Exactly!You cannot discuss a hand in progress while in a hand. Look at the Stars Tournament Rules.Yeah people should automatically know the cooperation play and use it effectively in the ass end of a tournament. BUT you can't say it, that's in fact collusion in it's finest.How distinct is the line between table talk and collusion? Many players will announce their hand to the table (in an attempt to get info from the other players). Is that against rules?For instance, when a player says "I've got a big pair here..." and there are three or more people still not folded. Or even "do you want some action?"Seems to me those could be interpreted as collusion, too... but they rarely are. Link to post Share on other sites
DDiabolical 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.Not really, there are many good players on Ultimate Bet at these limits. Of course, there are also many horrible players. And why would you be upset at someone for reporting cheating? Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Checking it down is what they should do. Â They shouldn't need to communicate to do so. Â Maybe it becomes collusion since they discussed.Exactly!You cannot discuss a hand in progress while in a hand. Look at the Stars Tournament Rules.Yeah people should automatically know the cooperation play and use it effectively in the ass end of a tournament. BUT you can't say it, that's in fact collusion in it's finest.How distinct is the line between table talk and collusion? Many players will announce their hand to the table (in an attempt to get info from the other players). Is that against rules?For instance, when a player says "I've got a big pair here..." and there are three or more people still not folded. Or even "do you want some action?"Seems to me those could be interpreted as collusion, too... but they rarely are.It all depends on the site. What happens is the customer support from any annonymous site will review the hand in question and the chat that was used then they determine weather or not it's abusive or not to any given player.Rule #22 of PS tournament rules:In case of disputes, PokerStars management decision will be final.Saying you have a big pair is much different than asking a player to check it down.Rule # 16 of PS tournament rules:Players, whether in the hand or not, may not discuss the hands until the action is complete. Players are obligated to protect the other players in the tournament at all times. Discussing cards discarded or hand possibilities is not allowed. A penalty may be given for discussion of hands during the play. http://www.pokerstars.com/tournamentsrules.htmlThat's the rules from PS.. Link to post Share on other sites
reverbse 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.Not really, there are many good players on Ultimate Bet at these limits. Of course, there are also many horrible players. And why would you be upset at someone for reporting cheating?cheating for 10 seconds of chat?the op should have just told them in the chat that it´s not alright to talk while a hand is underway instead of running to mummy and causing trouble for people who didn´t have any bad intentions (besides knocking him out - how malicious).did i mention the op is a censored? Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.So I should just let cheaters get away with their actions? Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.Not really, there are many good players on Ultimate Bet at these limits. Of course, there are also many horrible players. And why would you be upset at someone for reporting cheating?cheating for 10 seconds of chat?the op should have just told them in the chat that it´s not alright to talk while a hand is underway instead of running to mummy and causing trouble for people who didn´t have any bad intentions (besides knocking him out - how malicious).did i mention the op is a censored?Oh, cheating is okay as long as it is brief. I see your logic now. It was not the OP's responsibility to inform the cheater of the rules. He/she should know the rules before sitting at the table.P.S. He didn't run to "mummy", he reported a rule infraction.P.P.S. The intention of the individual is irrelevant. The action of the individual is what is important here. It is against the rules.Move along now. Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I wasn't bragging about it. It's $1.10.I was simply stating the fact that I got some punks busted for collusion. Yes, you check it down in that spot, but when you verbally ask the other player to check it down, then it's collusion.you took the time to email a complaint about $1.10?You should take the time to read. I didn't email them looking for a refund, I could care less about the money. I just wanted something to happen to these two players.and if they checkded it down without saying anything you would've went on and had a great day despite your loss in this micro, well not really micro, its more of a micro-micro-micro buy in game. what difference does it make if they are colluding and acknowledging it verbally or acting it out in a non verbal manner just checking it down. explain the difference? any way the hand came out you were a sure loser. so basically you hustled them into fiving you the $1.10 backgood shot.(dw) Link to post Share on other sites
turd ferguson 1 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.So I should just let cheaters get away with their actions? IT'S A FUCKING DOLLAR! Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 5 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.So I should just let cheaters get away with their actions? IT'S A FUCKING DOLLAR! :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedKills 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 My 5 dollar SNG just frooze for 5 minutes and the timer for blinds kept going? should I ask for a $5.50 refund?Immediately. Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJon 175 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Is anyone else surprised players at a $1 sng know to check it down?Hrrm.By the way the fact you reported this is enough for me to label you a censored. I actually just typed censored there, fill it in yourself, something bad preferably.So I should just let cheaters get away with their actions? IT'S A FUCKING DOLLAR! Like I said in 2 previous posts on the matter. I didn't report them for a refund. They did something wrong, and they should be punished for it. I'm positive that if this were a $100 SNG, you all would be riding me nuts for doing what I did. It's true. Link to post Share on other sites
ThatPkrGuy 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I wasn't bragging about it. It's $1.10.I was simply stating the fact that I got some punks busted for collusion. Yes, you check it down in that spot, but when you verbally ask the other player to check it down, then it's collusion.you took the time to email a complaint about $1.10?Exactly Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 i dont think that this is really collusionOf course it is.Meaningless collusion that didn't cost you any money, but still collusion.good luck. Link to post Share on other sites
pistola pedro 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Why are you bustin' this guy's balls? He saw collusion and reported it. The limits are irrelevant. p.s. Is Custom36 still a mod? If so, he definitely should know the rules and not give the OP $hit about it... Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 p.s. Is Custom36 still a mod? If so, he definitely should know the rules and not give the OP $hit about it...Yea, he's a mod, and yep, he's an ass sometimes too.I've become tired of arguing with him about it.Just let him be...lol Link to post Share on other sites
cubbybri 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Nice Chatter!!Some of your parents should put parental controls on your computers.All class.Whether $1.10 or $1100, hacking someone for doing the right thing just proves your own morale fiber. How do you expect to make money at poker when you commend cheating?I'd never knowingly chance playing with someone who would say this isn't a big deal.Yes, the money wasn't a big deal and the poster stated it already. The situation was a deal and I'm sure the people now know that they should not be explicitly colluding.It's better the website let them know than the player telling them anyway because than you just get the stupid flaming that some of you are already displaying.2 cents (worth more than most of these replies). Link to post Share on other sites
oceansize 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 To the above poster I would ask, how do you expect to be good at poker if your not going to use the knowledge that everyone is able to use but ignores. Say sitting at a table where your neighbor is showing his cards every time he looks at them, or if everyone has an opportunity to realize that the one semi-bent card in the deck is a 9 ? You want a level playing field, but you aren't gonna disregard a slight edge are you? Wanna play every hand straight up, well that's your option but this is also a game where your supposed to be observing things to use to your advantage, i.e. a card player that has never cheated is a liar.Having said that:As far as the email from pokerstarssupport is concerned, I can understand there stance in a situation where they need to have a solid decision as I'm sure this situation comes up frequently (Didn't you get the memo? I'll go ahead and have corporate fax you another copy of the memo. Yeah.)Then again, I can see why others would call said Keeper of the Rules a snitch. Personally, I like building side pots as in certain instances they can be more profitable, even sometimes ever so rarely in a bubble situation.More over, do what you gotta do to win. If you need to chat to someone and tell them that when in the SB and it is folded down to him and the BB who is "sitting out" that he should raise the blind just to take the blind...well that is under the doctrine "explicit collusion." Is it worth getting disqualified and losing your entrance fee just on the off chance that no one will email support immediately? As Aldous Huxley once said, "You pays your monies, and you takes your chances."Good post.Los Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I really can't comprehend those that are condoning this behaviour based on the fact that it was "only a fucking dollar." It's the equivalent of Daniel or someone else with a large br saying, "it's only a thousand fucking dollars" if the same thing happened in a $1000 buy in SnG.Checking it down is not against the rules; telling someone to check it down is. Link to post Share on other sites
blakheart 3 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Checking it down is what they should do. They shouldn't need to communicate to do so. Maybe it becomes collusion since they discussed.Exactly!You cannot discuss a hand in progress while in a hand. Look at the Stars Tournament Rules.Yeah people should automatically know the cooperation play and use it effectively in the ass end of a tournament. BUT you can't say it, that's in fact collusion in it's finest.How distinct is the line between table talk and collusion? Many players will announce their hand to the table (in an attempt to get info from the other players). Is that against rules?For instance, when a player says "I've got a big pair here..." and there are three or more people still not folded. Or even "do you want some action?"Seems to me those could be interpreted as collusion, too... but they rarely are.In a tournament discussing your hand is absolutely illegal. Asking if they want you to call is ok, but saing I've got a big pair is a no-no.In a cash game, the rules are differnet. Link to post Share on other sites
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