Briguy 0 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Especially when they always have the goods. Hey world! I have either AA or KK! Outflop me and make me pay, or miss and give up just 3 SB!Thought I'd share my latest joy with everyone. Me make lotsis off these people. Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I played with someone like that the other day. He would limp and 3-bet anytime someone raised his limp. There aren't enough people like that around. When all the NL donkeys switch over to limit though, that'll be the day the poker gods will smile on all of us. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I finf LHE LRR to often have stuff like QJ off suit Link to post Share on other sites
stealfromblind 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 When all the NL donkeys switch over to limit though, that'll be the day the poker gods will smile on all of us.they rarely make the switch from nl to limit but most of them who want to curve their losses while still getting their gambling fix start playing pot limit. you should check out the the pot limit tables on poker room if you want to see what it looks like when the poker gods smile. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 I finf LHE LRR to often have stuff like QJ off suitI'm not playing at Party right now. I have yet to find a LRR that hasn't shown AA or KK at the particular site I'm wh*ring currently. It's quite amazing. If I do find someone that LRRs with crap, I will take note, and extend their hand range. Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskyRiver 0 Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 This tell is almost as good as the raise pre-flop, then make the minimum bet. I was playing with a guy the other day who did it over and over again, and capped off the fun by doing it, then calling my raise, then betting the minimum AGAIN on the turn, and instantly folding to my raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo 0 Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I think it depends.When I limp reraise, I usually have a hand that works well in multiway action and I'm pumping an equity edge (like KJs). Limp reraising also adds deception, because most people interpret it as a high pocket pair. However, you need to take the initial raiser's stats into account. Against a 19/2/2, I might just call the raise. Link to post Share on other sites
AlanBostick 0 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 FWIW, if you set the controls of the Wayback Machine to Abdul Jalib's Hold'em Preflop Strategy, you will find that Abdul recommends :In a tight game, limp-reraising half the time and raising and calling half the time with AKs AQs AK; and limp-reraising all the time with AA KK 99 88 AJs ATs. The reason to limp-reraise with the big pairs is that they are worth more than the blinds they so often take down. The reason to limp-reraise with other hands is to keep 'em guessing.In a loose-aggressive game, the limp-reraising standards change to:Limp-call 2 50%/ raise & reraise 50% 99 88Limp-reraise 50%/ raise & reraise 50% AK AKsLimp-reraise QQ JJ TT AQs AJsand raise and reraise with AA and KK..Read the whole thing ... Abdul has been one of the great unsung thinkers of poker. Anyone have any idea what he's up to these days? Link to post Share on other sites
bcook823 0 Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 FWIW, if you set the controls of the Wayback Machine to Abdul Jalib's Hold'em  Preflop Strategy, you will find that Abdul recommends :In a tight game, limp-reraising half the time and raising and calling half the time with AKs AQs AK; and limp-reraising all the time with AA KK 99 88 AJs ATs.  The reason to limp-reraise with the big pairs is that they are worth more than the blinds they so often take down.  The reason to limp-reraise with other hands is to keep 'em guessing.In a loose-aggressive game, the limp-reraising standards change to:Limp-call 2 50%/ raise & reraise 50%  99 88Limp-reraise 50%/ raise & reraise 50% AK AKsLimp-reraise QQ JJ TT AQs AJsand raise and reraise with AA and KK..Read the whole thing ... Abdul has been one of the great unsung thinkers of poker.  Anyone have any idea what he's up to these days?That is an interesting read for certain. The problem I have with doing it that often, is your out of position. Many times your going to miss, then you have to act first. FWIW, I have found the OP to be correct, the limp raise always means AA, KK, QQ. Doyle limped reraised all in with AK during the cash game show on GSN the other night, and I thought it was a good play. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 FWIW, if you set the controls of the Wayback Machine to Abdul Jalib's Hold'em  Preflop Strategy, you will find that Abdul recommends :In a tight game, limp-reraising half the time and raising and calling half the time with AKs AQs AK; and limp-reraising all the time with AA KK 99 88 AJs ATs.  The reason to limp-reraise with the big pairs is that they are worth more than the blinds they so often take down.  The reason to limp-reraise with other hands is to keep 'em guessing.In a loose-aggressive game, the limp-reraising standards change to:Limp-call 2 50%/ raise & reraise 50%  99 88Limp-reraise 50%/ raise & reraise 50% AK AKsLimp-reraise QQ JJ TT AQs AJsand raise and reraise with AA and KK..Read the whole thing ... Abdul has been one of the great unsung thinkers of poker.  Anyone have any idea what he's up to these days?I've actually read this book, though no idea what he's up to. I found it to be very, very interesting. I don't apply most of it on a literal level, but the concepts are amazing. And OP, this post is the reason I'll limp/raise with a hand like 98s, T9s, 44, or 55. Because I can get people to lay down their JJ and QQ after they've built up a happy little pot for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 FWIW, I have found the OP to be correct, the limp raise always means AA, KK, QQ. Doyle limped reraised all in with AK during the cash game show on GSN the other night, and I thought it was a good play.Don't assume this. At the site I'm currently playing, LRR = AA or KK. That doesn't hold for very many sites...certainly not Stars or Party.Actually, I saw someone do this the other day with QJs, and he raked a huge pot after flopping a flush draw and completing the draw on the turn. I put a note on him, saying "knows to mix up the LRR". He's currently the only player on that site with such a note (after 5,000+ hands). Link to post Share on other sites
LewFather 0 Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 I got-got by a limp raiser once in a 5+.50 MTT on stars. he was on the short stack (slightly above me) and he limps from the gun, I believe there was a caller maybe 2 in position the SB folded and I was in the BB with TT. I had less then 10bb's left so I just went for it, moved all in and the gun limper immediately raises. Everyone folds around and we flip up cards TT vs AA.. LOL Link to post Share on other sites
anselm 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I think this depends on the site and the stakes. Well I play NLHE too, so that seems to be a big difference. At the NL micro-stakes I play a LRR is rarely AA or KK. I seem to find TT-QQ or AK/AQ/KQ more prevalent. Link to post Share on other sites
BIG_L_RIP 0 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 limp re-raising, like a lot of techniques, is a valuable move gleaned from loose and fast higher stakes cash games -- e.g. in LA, when the 5/10 and up NL games play into the stratosphere with stack sizes and preflop callers-- which can look very silly in lower stakes games. In the 2/5 game at the Taj last night, there was a guy who delighted in doing it with AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
cu in 4years Dan 1 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 lol yeah i was playing a party tourney once and this guy would fold 15 times then... take his time.... tick tock tick tock the limp. we all fold and he shows his "monster" A10, A Q and say "you guys never pay me off, i wish u had something to call with when i get these cards" lolalso +1! Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Like Big L, said, limp raising, like most any other technique, strategy or 'move', works best when it's varied and used effectively. Same thing with min-raising. Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 LRR is a valuable tool in low and mid-limit NLHE and NL tournies because you are thrown in with enough bad players that they will make a mistake. Your AK will catch the AJ, your AA will find the 10 10 and the player will not know how to put them down.In reality when you see someone call UTG you assume they are a bad player because you've seen fish do it over and over again. That's when the LRR will get you. Link to post Share on other sites
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