Bubba83 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 CO is new to the table and hasn't played anything past the flop yet.Button is loose passive and doesn't do anything fancy.Ultimate Bet 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP1 with T:club:, Q:club:. 2 folds.Flop: (7.40 SB) J:diamond:, 7:spade:, 3:spade: (3 players)Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero folds.Turn: (4.70 BB) 2:diamond: (2 players)CO bets, Button folds.Final Pot: 5.70 BB Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Outside of my comfort level to open-raise this from MP1 except at the tightest of tables. CO and button, definitely open-raising. As for the the hand from there, looks standard. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 The table was 8 handed and when it folds to me I thought of it like 6 max. I'd raise Q10s UTG 6 handed, so I did. I made this raise expecting to get position, ended up being out of position, with a bad flop, so I saw no need to continue the charade. How do other people play the same hand? Limp in? I feel like Raising here is better than open limping... I don't think fold feels right either. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 If the table's tight-passive, I can see raising this. If the table's loose-passive, a limp might be justified. If it's tight-aggressive or loose-aggressive, I think it's a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 The table was generally aggressive. With some players being tight and others being loose. Not so aggressive that people in LP were just going to 3 bet me with a marginal hand to get it heads up, but very rarely was there an unraised pot going to the flop. I'd hate to limp this, and call a LP raise and then rely on hitting something. With the raise I have a good chance to buy position and not have to improve to win. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Under the table conditions that you describe, I'd prefer folding. For the record, I'm not typically raising this UTG in 6max. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Why did you decide not to bet this flop? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I don't like it. MP1 is about my cut-off for limping hands.I will occassionally raise this hand if the table is playing very weak-tight, but that's not often. I will limp here if the table is loose-passive, but that's not often. So usually I just send this into the muck.You have to bet this flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Author Share Posted January 15, 2006 You have to bet this flop.I don't see what betting the flop would do, I don't think they'd hardly ever both fold and I really don't have many possibilities to improve. I am a bit surprised to hear you say you'd fold this PF screech, but it's good to know that I probably shouldn't have played this at all. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 1) Value. Your bet takes this down 1/8.4 times easily. If not, you may improve on the turn/set up yourself up to win the pot on the turn.2) Betting here is a vital part of your overall game plan. It means your strong hands get payed off more, and it makes it more difficult for your opponents to play agianst you. If you always check when you miss flops like this, your opponents can call with a lto more hands pf profitably because it will often set them up to steal from you later. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 Being OOP against two opponents in a three-way pot with a Q-high and no discernible draws, I'm not as fond of betting the flop as y'all are. If we had a gut-shot, a backdoor flush draw, two overs...anything really...I'd change my mind. If we were in position against at least one of the opponents, that'd help too. I'm someone that almost always auto-bets after raising pre-flop, but this might be one of the situations where I let it go. Granted, there may be the good meta-game reasons that screech cites for betting. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 We have a monsterous overcard and bd straight draw.Plus our bet doesn't have to take down this pot very often for it to be correct. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I don't think a bet takes it down on the flop as often as you think. Pretty rare to fold two cold callers. They'll be getting excellent odds to see a turn even if they don't already know they're ahead. They only need a couple of overcards, a pair, or a flush draw to profitably call. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 I don't think a bet takes it down on the flop as often as you think. Pretty rare to fold two cold callers. They'll be getting excellent odds to see a turn even if they don't already know they're ahead. They only need a couple of overcards, a pair, or a flush draw to profitably call.It takes it down enough to throw a bet out.Also with our backdoor straight draws I would love to see a turn so that I could semi bluff it if I pick up additional outs.But yea limp preflop.As played you have to bet this flop or at least call it getting 9.4:1 with an overcard and backdoor straight draws. Link to post Share on other sites
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