where are more fishies -- online or casinos?

[MrJones 0]

ok, the live community is so awful as a collective group at poker. There is no comparison. Take a 2/4 game online, they are bad, take a 2/4 game live. THEY CANNOT EVEN PLAY THE GAME!! 20/40 online = very good players.

[Diabolical 0]

ok................. I will agree that if your playin 20-40 online, your goin to get some good players and usually you have 2-3 players seein the flop. Which is the kind of poker i like to play. So, I agree. at these limits your goin to see alot of good players. But the online community as a whole is far more fishy than live play. But,....................... I have to ask you how much value you put into "table selection" when you play live. Ihave to say that, in the past, I would sit down at any open game and start playin. But I have learned how valuable table selection is. And I scope out tables before I sit down. Let me tell you bro. It has tremendously increased my BR. I suggest when you play live, you should be considering this.

I think table selection is huge in live play. I think you can win or lose a lot of money just by picking the right or wrong table. Same thing with online though, picking the right/wrong table online makes an incredible difference.

ok................. that bein said. There are alot of good 3/6 games and some 2/4 games that are my skillfull than online play. But I see alot of bad players at these limits online that wouldn't last too long against some of the worst live players. simply because the live player has more weapons because of there "reading ability". I will say again, if your talkin about 20-40 online play only. Then you have a point. But, if you talk about the "whole" online poker community", I believe there isn't much to say except the live players have the advantage and are the supieror of the two.

[Diabolical 0]

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[Alex916F 0]

Hey, I would like to confirm that at the casino there are way bigger donks than online. I have played on many sites online limits ranging from .01/.02 to 2/4 and have seen the play. I just got back from a indian casino nearby with a 100 max nl table. People were complete idiots putting in their money in completely dead with pocket pairs with 2 overs on the board and possible straights and flushs. People are re-raising with AJo and just doing some ridiculous things.The max was 100 and the blinds were 1/2 so it was a little short stacked, not fully comfortable w/ 100 bb as usual. So i Started out about 3rd hand got pocket K's raised the typical amount for the table which was 10 bucks. Got one caller, he checks in the dark, two of one suit on the flop no ace so i bet a little more than half the pot to protect hand. he mucks.After that I had 96o way too many times to count only one time suited connectors which someone raised preflop too much for me to proceed. Utter trash the whole time, get whittled down to about 50 get pocket 7's guy b4 me raises typical amount I call in hopes of trips, guy near button goes all in for about 15 more, raiser calls, I call cuz of pot odds and huge implied odds. Ugly flop where I think no one hit and I am probably still good but want to check it down cuz i dont have a monster, homeboy puts me all in on the turn i really dont think has anything I call initial raiser and I both of pocket 7's ! never happened to me b4 and the all in guy had pocket eights... I am down to 24 bucks. Wait and wait, i could rebuy but the cards have been so cold I just want a break so I am waiting for a hand i can go all in w/ see if i can get somewhere pick up AJo, i know it isnt that great but go all in for 19 cuz i am down that far now 2 guys call I hit an A on the flop one guy folds to a bet from other dude we flip over guy has AT I hit a J on turn but now 2 hearts out then river a heart.Generally, horrible play by others at the table, I stayed to my game plan of wait for good hands and push them for maximum value but there were no good hands to be found. never got dealt AK AQ no suited A's one suited connector 3 pairs T's K's 7's everthing else utter trash. I went for 2 hours I think at least 6 orbits. conclusion, if i was actually dealt playable hands i would have been in a profitable situation big time.

[MrJones 0]

that may be true only if you respect the fact that online offers far lower stakes games than live does, if you compare any limit online vs any limit live, live is far weaker.

[Diabolical 0]

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[Bubba83 0]

Very very easily casino. The problem is the stupid jackpots and rake and tipping costs so much.

[flash420 0]

Where are the most fish? Online! Where is it easier to take advantage of fish? At the casino!

[Pupsta 0]

it's live, and it's not even close to being close.you people advocating online being fishier...what limits would you equate your average 2-4/3-6/4-8 game to? i'd say 4/8 live = .25/.50 online...it's just not even close how much better the players are online.it's truly baffling to see ANYONE argue the other side of the coin.last night in my 2/4 game...guy bets the river, gets called...caller turns up an unimproved 26o. six high.i don't think you'll see 2/4 players online do that.

[InertGrudge 0]

I've only played at a casino once. And, I've only played the real low stakes there. I've played online poker for...way longer than I care to remember.It's casinos. It's not even remotely close to being remotely close. I know this from very limited, limited experience because it is so freakin' obvious.

[soup 0]

online with out question... people hide behind their computers. nuff said

Why do people do this..say something totally meaningless,then add something such as "nuff said" to it and believe they have spoken with the sort of profoundness reserved for confucious and a marching band of philosophers. You have said nuffing.

you're a tool, nuff said

[slash 0]

Hey, I would like to confirm that at the casino there are way bigger donks than online. I have played on many sites online limits ranging from .01/.02 to 2/4 and have seen the play.  I just got back from a indian casino nearby with a 100 max nl table. People were complete idiots putting in their money in completely dead with pocket pairs with 2 overs on the board and possible straights and flushs. People are re-raising with AJo and just doing some  ridiculous things.The max was 100 and the blinds were 1/2 so it was a little short stacked, not fully comfortable w/ 100 bb as usual. So i Started out about 3rd hand got pocket K's raised the typical amount for the table which was 10 bucks. Got one caller, he checks in the dark, two of one suit on the flop no ace so i bet a little more than half the pot to protect hand. he mucks.After that I had 96o way too many times to count only one time suited connectors which someone raised preflop too much for me to proceed. Utter trash the whole time, get whittled down to about 50 get pocket 7's guy b4 me raises typical amount I call in hopes of trips, guy near button goes all in for about 15 more, raiser calls, I call cuz of pot odds and huge implied odds. Ugly flop where I think no one hit and I am probably still good but want to check it down cuz i dont have a monster, homeboy puts me all in on the turn i really dont think has anything I call initial raiser and I both of pocket 7's ! never happened to me b4 and the all in guy had pocket eights... I am down to 24 bucks.  Wait and wait, i could rebuy but the cards have been so cold I just want a break so I am waiting for a hand i can go all in w/ see if i can get somewhere pick up AJo, i know it isnt that great but go all in for 19 cuz i am down that far now 2 guys call I hit an A on the flop one guy folds to a bet from other dude we flip over guy has AT   I hit a J on turn but now 2 hearts out  then river a heart.Generally, horrible play by others at the table, I stayed to my game plan of wait for good hands and push them for maximum value but there were no good hands to be found. never got dealt AK AQ no suited A's one suited connector 3 pairs T's K's 7's everthing else utter trash. I went for 2 hours I think at least 6 orbits.  conclusion, if i was actually dealt playable hands i would have been in a profitable situation big time.

Not only is your post written with the grammar, punctuation, spelling, and overall coherence of a retarded 4 year old chimp, but it also has no redeeming value and contributed nothing to point of this post. Wither and die.

[princeof56k 0]

Casinos and online are big ponds with plenty of fish. One doesnt necessarily have more fish than the other. They're just different species of fish.

[Limit Player 0]

There are more fish online, but they all play micro limits. The fish in a casino will sit down a 5/10 limit, 10/20 limit, etc. Make the roll online - then withdraw half and have a B&M roll. See which one multiplies faster.

[Limit Player 0]

to put it another way - I know I'm not a great player. But, yesterday I made $150 playing sng's and .50/1 limit over 4 hours.The first pot I ever won in a casino was in a 4/8 game, and it was $80. I won with TPTK. Yeah.

[No_Neck 0]

maybe there are more fish online like because there are 65k people on party and probably 35k don't know how to play, where as foxwoods only 1000 people are in the room at a time.The level of play is much worse in a casino.

[Diabolical 0]

another thing to consider about this whole thing is online players also play in casinos. But before the boom they didn't. And probably didn't know anything about poker.I think the fish you speak of at the live casinos are the same fish who play online. And whats worse about them is that they have very little reading ability and play pretty badly live. Are you calling the badplayers at the casinos "fish" because you can't beat them?In my experience, you probably can't beat them cause you don't know how to adjust to there play. The stupid things they do require you to change your approach. This requires reading skills and a study into "human behavior".

[Diabolical 0]

before the poker boom, alot of the players in the casinos were "good" players. And we use to play alot of the same people all the time. There wern't many young people at the casinos. Now,. .............. they are everywhere and I would say that alot of them are underage and sneak in.But these same players learned from being "online" FIRST.THESE SAME PLAYERS LEARNED HOW TO PLAY FROM PLAYING ONLINE!How can this be refuted?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

before the poker boom, alot of the players in the casinos were "good" players. And we use to play alot of the same people all the time. There wern't many young people at the casinos. Now,. .............. they are everywhere and I would say that alot of them are underage and sneak in.But these same players learned from being "online" FIRST.THESE SAME PLAYERS LEARNED HOW TO PLAY FROM PLAYING ONLINE!How can this be refuted?

Very easily--you're just flat out wrong.Most of the young players you see at casinos learned by watching TV and playing home games with their buddies--not by playing on line.Look at the people who play at the casino. People who come in drunk, looking for something to do. Business men and gamblers who want to throw some money around. Young guys who watch ESPN. Old guys who played Guts with their buddies in the Navy. And then there's the people who make a living playing cards. PEOPLE WHO PLAY ONLINE PUT THEIR MONEY THERE SPECIFICALLY TO PLAY POKER, FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF PLAYING POKER AND NOTHING ELSE. I don't know how I can make that any clearer. More than not, they're people who know how to play, who like to play a bit, who have studied the game a bit and who understand basic theory and concepts. People who play live could just be tired of playing craps and wanting to try something else. They could just be out with their buddies for a night and want to pull off some huge bluff. People who play online don't fit these categories for the most part.

[Diabolical 0]

before the poker boom, alot of the players in the casinos were "good" players. And we use to play alot of the same people all the time. There wern't many young people at the casinos. Now,. .............. they are everywhere and I would say that alot of them are underage and sneak in.But these same players learned from being "online" FIRST.THESE SAME PLAYERS LEARNED HOW TO PLAY FROM PLAYING ONLINE!How can this be refuted?

Very easily--you're just flat out wrong.Most of the young players you see at casinos learned by watching TV and playing home games with their buddies--not by playing on line.Look at the people who play at the casino. People who come in drunk, looking for something to do. Business men and gamblers who want to throw some money around. Young guys who watch ESPN. Old guys who played Guts with their buddies in the Navy. And then there's the people who make a living playing cards. PEOPLE WHO PLAY ONLINE PUT THEIR MONEY THERE SPECIFICALLY TO PLAY POKER, FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF PLAYING POKER AND NOTHING ELSE. I don't know how I can make that any clearer. More than not, they're people who know how to play, who like to play a bit, who have studied the game a bit and who understand basic theory and concepts. People who play live could just be tired of playing craps and wanting to try something else. They could just be out with their buddies for a night and want to pull off some huge bluff. People who play online don't fit these categories for the most part.

Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!I can only prove it to you, by playing you. I guesse. 'Your reading abilty will be exposed once we play live.Online players don't have "complete" skills cause they lack the face to face poker play.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Wrong Wrong Wrong!!!I can only prove it to you, by playing you. I guesse. 'Your reading abilty will be exposed once we play live.Online players don't have "complete" skills cause they lack the face to face poker play.

You've officially started to miss the point...I play almost exclusively live. Okay? Get it? Me = Live player. The question isn't.."Are online players better when they play live?" It's, "Which is more fishy?" That's it. I'm not saying that Online players wouldn't have adjustments or deficits to account for, I'm telling you that you're wrong and as a whole, Online isn't as fishy as Live.And since this is the second time you've challenged me to a live heads up match, I accept. I don't know why you keep doing it, but, whatever. I've never said anything about your play, or even claimed to know how you play. You'll obviously have to cover the plain ticket, hotel accomadations, food and maybe even the rake.We'll play a series of 10 HU Freeze outs, 1k a piece. 1. Razz2. NLHE3. Razz4. Seven card stud (high only)5. Razz6. LHE7. Razz8. Pot Limit Omaha (high only)9. Razz10. Pot Limit Omaha (split)

[joball33 0]

another thing to consider about this whole thing is online players also play in casinos. But before the boom they didn't. And probably didn't know anything about poker.I think the fish you speak of at the live casinos are the same fish who play online. And whats worse about them is that they have very little reading ability and play pretty badly live. Are you calling the badplayers at the casinos "fish" because you can't beat them?In my experience, you probably can't beat them cause you don't know how to adjust to there play. The stupid things they do require you to change your approach. This requires reading skills and a study into "human behavior".

So you're telling me the old folks who call with bottom pair play online? I find it hard to believe they can even check email, let alone figure out how to play online poker. In my casino experiences, very rarely are the worst players young. That's not to say it doesn't happen, but for the most part the younger players are quite a bit more aware of how to play. I'm not saying they're good, but they aren't as bad as the retired guys who are there to have fun. The old guys are great to play with, they call with any pair regardless of how dangerous the board is. Obviously if we are going by numbers alone, there will be more fish online. In my experiences though, having another TAG at a table (besides myself) in a live game is very rare. To quote DrawingDead:Just sayin'

[Guest]

its online and its not even close if you think otherwise you havent been to a live casino.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

its online and its not even close if you think otherwise you havent been to a live casino.

Absolutely brilliant.

[Diabolical 0]

So you're telling me the old folks who call with bottom pair play online? I find it hard to believe they can even check email, let alone figure out how to play online poker. In my casino experiences, very rarely are the worst players young. That's not to say it doesn't happen, but for the most part the younger players are quite a bit more aware of how to play. I'm not saying they're good, but they aren't as bad as the retired guys who are there to have fun. The old guys are great to play with, they call with any pair regardless of how dangerous the board is. Obviously if we are going by numbers alone, there will be more fish online. In my experiences though, having another TAG at a table (besides myself) in a live game is very rare. To quote DrawingDead:Just sayin'Maybe it depends on location. Cause over here in LA, There are alot of good old players. And I have to say, Where I live is the place to be if you are into playing alot of poker.DrawingDead plays on the east or near it. I'm assuming you play up north in portland. I play where the action is thick and I see a vast type of players.Without offending anyone, I feel I have a better sample of play to make an edjucated argument.