Bubba83 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 Villain is aggressive post flop, but tight preflop.Full Tilt Poker Game #379921818: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (2463733), Table 1 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:09:16 ET - 2006/01/12Seat 2: dangitisuck (2,405)Seat 3: VincentVega002 (3,100)Seat 4: goofyplayer (1,635)Seat 5: Bubba83 (1,615)Seat 7: tsasca (1,420)Seat 8: LasVegasLinda (1,565)Seat 9: avaleru (1,760)VincentVega002 posts the small blind of 30goofyplayer posts the big blind of 60The button is in seat #2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Bubba83 [Jh Js]Bubba83 raises to 180tsasca foldsLasVegasLinda foldsavaleru calls 180dangitisuck foldsVincentVega002 calls 150avaleru: my connection breaks - sorry guysgoofyplayer folds*** FLOP *** [8s Jc Th]VincentVega002 checksBubba83 bets 350avaleru foldsVincentVega002 calls 350*** TURN *** [8s Jc Th] [Qh]VincentVega002 bets 600Bubba83 calls 600*** RIVER *** [8s Jc Th Qh] [3c]VincentVega002 bets 1,970, and is all inBubba83 calls 485, and is all inI expected to call the rest of my money off on the river UI once I made the tough decision on the turn.What are your thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 He had 99, right?I probably play it about the same, but I'd likely make a pot-sized bet on the flop. If villain has 99, it doesn't matter much because you wouldn't move him off it no matter what you bet on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Author Share Posted January 12, 2006 What he had doesn't really matter. I'll say results in a couple days though or something if you really want to know. Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 He had 99, right?I probably play it about the same, but I'd likely make a pot-sized bet on the flop. If villain has 99, it doesn't matter much because you wouldn't move him off it no matter what you bet on the flop.No way. Villian does not lead out once he has hit the straight. Villain would check to the other player and let them hang themself.It is possible that villian has QQ, but I doubt it. I am guessing KQ here. Open-ended plus the overs, and he hits one of the overs, so he thinks he is good and fires away. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 He had 99, right? No way. Villian does not lead out once he has hit the straight. Villain would check to the other player and let them hang themself.It is possible that villian has QQ, but I doubt it. I am guessing KQ here. Open-ended plus the overs, and he hits one of the overs, so he thinks he is good and fires away.He's tight preflop, so it's unlikely he'd call a raise with KQ. Plus, he's aggressive postflop, so we can't assume he'd try to trap with a strong hand.What else would he just call with both preflop and on the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 He's tight preflop, so it's unlikely he'd call a raise with KQ. Plus, he's aggressive postflop, so we can't assume he'd try to trap with a strong hand.What else would he just call with both preflop and on the flop?If you have 99, do you bet the turn here? There is little chance of the hero checking the turn, so you would check, let him committ half his stack, and then make him put the rest in drawing to 10 outs.I just don't see too many hands that would call the flop and lead on the turn that have a 9 in them. Even with his "Tight preflop, aggressive postflop" mantra, I see KQ or possibly AQ coming out of the woodwork. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I agree that AQ is a possibility.But okay, it's kinda silly to try to put villain on an exact hand, right?If we say his range is (QQ-77), (AK-AQ-KQ) the math obviously justifies a turn call/push. Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 I agree that AQ is a possibility.But okay, it's kinda silly to try to put villain on an exact hand, right?If we say his range is (QQ-77), (AK-AQ-KQ) the math obviously justifies a turn call/push.Yeah, I agree with pushing the turn as well. I would rather get all the money in and even if I find I am against the straight, I have some hope. I'd rather not make a crying call on the river for the rest of my chips when I think there is a good chance I am dead...even if it is just psychological. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted January 12, 2006 Share Posted January 12, 2006 The river call is a no brainer of course, the decision really came on the turn, but the first mistake may have been on the flop. With 2 others in the pot and the threatening board I would bet the pot. Someone with overs and an OESD is going to think they have 14 outs when in reality they only have 8 and you can extract a nice price from them and more clearly define their hands. TPGK would have a very hard time calling with that board so youve narrowed the range to overpairs, two overs and an OESD(ie KQ), underset, two pair or 99. The smaller bet could have been called by those plus A9 sooted, T9, 98.Thats 15 overpairs (given the Q turning), 12 KQs, 6 pairs to the underset, 15 cards to two pair (and they arent too likely to have called preflop unless sooooted), and 6 99s. You eliminated 36 threatening hands.When the Q turns you are behind to the 3 pairs of Qs and the 6 99s....9 out of 54 hands. Your decision is now much easier than the smaller bet which would leave you with 45 out of 90 hands that couldbe beating you. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Author Share Posted January 13, 2006 I think the flat call on the turn against an aggressive opponent is much better than a push. With how much money was in the pot, he's not folding any drawing hands he has at this point, and if he's on a complete bluff I want him to follow through on the river.Oh, and I don't know who threw QQ in the hand range, but after 1 person cold calls I think he'd re-raise here preflop with that hand, not just call. I guess it's a possibility but I don't think it is at all as likely as some of the other hands. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 I think I push turn here, though he HAS to call. I think though, that villian bets here with 1) pair and a flushdraw2)pair and a straight draw3)two pair4)straightHowever, as someone pointed out, due to your preflop/postflop aggression, someone with a straight might go for a check raise here instead.This is a hand that probably could not be folded in a cash game, but wouldnt be a horrible fold in a tourney. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted January 14, 2006 Author Share Posted January 14, 2006 Villain shows A:spade: Q:spade:I take down a big pot.The bet seemed so scary at the time, but when you start adding things up I think it makes sense that we are ahead here most of the time. I think whether we push on the turn or not or flat call really depends on our opponent. I felt like this opponent may have been really weak, and I wanted him to bet the rest on the river and give him a chance to think I still might fold. Link to post Share on other sites
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