what does he have? a hand quiz

[troutsmart 0]

I'm playing a small .10 pot limit game on Absolute. My friend is EDPUNK, and I'm there mainly to pass some time with him, as he has to wait up all night due to a sick and pregnant wife. I usually play .50/$1 limit, but spent quite a bit of time back in December on these small pot limit tables. This hand comes up. I'm not particularly impressed with my play on the hand, and am open to criticism, but would particularly like to know what hand everybody puts him on. I had no prior knowledge of this player, so I have no idea what kind of player he was, which makes up a lot of my decisions usually.Stage #87458885: Holdem Pot Limit $0.05 [2005-02-19 06:17:47]Seat 1 - CRAZY78 $13.97 in chipsSeat 3 - LITHIUM33 $14.43 in chipsSeat 5 - ASHERLEV $11.28 in chipsSeat 7 - YOUCANTSEEME $10.06 in chipsSeat 8 - JACK 55 $7.41 in chipsSeat 9 - EDPUNK $5.08 in chips*** BLIND [dealer 8] ***EDPUNK - Post small blind $0.05CRAZY78 - Post big blind $0.10CRAZY78 - Pocket [Ks,10c] LITHIUM33 - Calls $0.10ASHERLEV - Calls $0.10YOUCANTSEEME - Calls $0.10JACK 55 - FoldsEDPUNK - Calls $0.05CRAZY78 - ChecksKT in the BB. Free flop. Not bad.5 players to the flop.*** FLOP [5s,10s,7s] ***EDPUNK - ChecksCRAZY78 - Bets $0.50LITHIUM33 - FoldsASHERLEV - Raises $0.50 to $2YOUCANTSEEME - FoldsEDPUNK - FoldsCRAZY78 - Calls $1.50I like the flop with TP and good kicker, plus K high flush draw. Bet the pot. Not sure what to put him on, so I call to keep the pot managable.*** TURN [5s,10s,7s,5h] ***CRAZY78 - ChecksASHERLEV - ChecksReally was wishing I had position right about now. Normally I have a fairly decent read by the turn, but this check of his baffles me and makes me think four things. 1) he just made a boat on the turn and now wants me hitting my flush 2) he's drawing to a jack, queen, or ace high flush and is taking a free card 3) he suspects I've just made a large hand and the 5 was a scare card 4) he has a made flush and wants to see a safe river card before putting more money in the pot*** RIVER [5s,10s,7s,5h,Kd] ***CRAZY78 - Bets $2.20ASHERLEV - All-In(Raise) $2.20 to $9.18CRAZY78 - Folds (Timeout)ASHERLEV - returned ($6.98) : not calledI absolutely hate this bet I make on the river. I rarely make this mistake, as I almost always will check a hand like this and call. Especially in pot limit. I immedietly was disgusted with myself, and then to confirm my disgust, he goes all- in leaving me with a tough decision. I normally operate under the rule that if I don't have an idea of what a person is holding, then it is probably best to fold. I find if I'm confused on a hand and call an all-in, invariably I'm beat, so I try to fold unless I have a grasp on the situation.*** SHOW DOWN ***ASHERLEV - Does not show*** RESULT ***Total Pot($8.90) Rake ($0.40)Board [5s,10s,7s,5h,Kd]CRAZY78 - Folded on the RIVERLITHIUM33 - Folded on the FLOPASHERLEV - Total ($8.50) All-In HI:($8.50) [Does not show]YOUCANTSEEME - Folded on the FLOPJACK 55 - Folded on the POCKET CARDSEDPUNK - Folded on the FLOPAs you can see, I waited too long and the computer folded my hand. That happened quicker than I planned, but honestly wasn't bothered. I was really mad at my betting out on the river, but was willing to part with top two pair.Anyway, there is your ammo team. Fire away. Critique the hand. What do you him put on? Would you have called the river? There is no answer unfortunatly as he never revealed his hand, but he did allude to the fact that he was bluffing. I'm not sure I buy it. Based on experience, he played this like a big hand.

[Nacho 0]

I don't think it really matters what he had, He knew what you DIDN'T have, and thats all that mattered. I tihnk he sensed weakness in you and might have stole the pot. Granted, he could have had a killer hand, but I think he sensed you didn't have much. Of course, it would be tough to put you on that K on the river. But I assume he played your cards, not his

[troutsmart 0]

I don't think it really matters what he had, He knew what you DIDN'T have, and thats all that mattered. I tihnk he sensed weakness in you and might have stole the pot. Granted, he could have had a killer hand, but I think he sensed you didn't have much. Of course, it would be tough to put you on that K on the river. But I assume he played your cards, not his I like that analysis. If he was a good player, he very well was playing me.

[RonBurgundy 0]

id have to agree, but if he did have a hand it looks like maybe a set of 7s with the raise on the flop, then hits his boat and checks on 4th trying to induce a bet on the river, which he did, so he could raise all in.

[Makavelli 0]

I only agree with that analysis if he was indeed a good player. Is someone playing .10 pot limit likely to be that sophisicated? Can't say unless you've been watching him. (If it was NO limit, I'd say probably not, but pot limit will draw a slightly higher level of player.)I think he had 77. All of his bets are conistent with that: the limp, the raise, the check, the all in. His bet on the river makes your first guess on the turn look correct. I think his river bet screams of confidence. I think he filled in on the turn and was hoping you'd take a stab if he showed weakness. In my experience, that seems more likely for the average low stakes player than the ability/courage to go all in when they sense weakness. IMHO as they say...I'm not sure you played it badly. Top pair w/ second nut flush draw is pretty strong on the flop. The mistake was probably the stab at the river; it looks like a "bluff out of nowhere," even though you had top two pair. I think you got trapped by your cards. and I think he had you beat.

[troutsmart 0]

I'm not sure you played it badly. Top pair w/ second nut flush draw is pretty strong on the flop. The mistake was probably the stab at the river; it looks like a "bluff out of nowhere," even though you had top two pair. I think you got trapped by your cards. and I think he had you beat.As for the flop and turn, I'm fine with my plays. However, the very reason I choose to not to reraise on the flop, was to keep the pot at a level I could call down a bet on the river, and then I made the boneheaded bet on the river. I absolutely detest this bet, though I see many players make it. There is virtually no value in a bet of this kind on the river in my opinion. If I check the river, he is probable to bet. Now I'm in a much more favorable position, as he can only bet $4.50. I now have a more managable bet to call with what I feel is a moderate hand.Considering the idea that the player was playing me. I've reevaluated my thoughts on this. If he is a strong player, he is very capable of such a move. However, maybe I didn't clarify this, he had very little information of me as a player. I don't know if a strong player who is capable of this would do such with such little information on his opponent. I could have been an absolute fish for all he knew that would call him down with a 98 busted open- ended straight draw (I've seen it), just to see the hand. Good players don't make bluffs without good information on an opponent in my opinion. My instincts told me he had a strong hand, whether it was a flopped flush or turn full house with a set of 7s or a 75. According to my friend, who was at the table (EDPUNK), this player was solid in his book having played with him for a while. He was a tight player that didn't strike him as making a bluff here.

[wrto4556 0]

id have to agree, but if he did have a hand it looks like maybe a set of 7s with the raise on the flop, then hits his boat and checks on 4th trying to induce a bet on the river, which he did, so he could raise all in.

This is exactly what happened. He was trying to get you to hit your flush since you were drawing dead to his sevens full. Isn't slowplaying silly. He bets a reasonable amount on the turn and river he makes more. :roll: