quick question

[lew189 0]

I realize this belongs in strategy, but I wanted some quick responses.I read Howard Lederer's interview the other day where he said that the only time he will limp into a pot is if he's in late position and there are multiple limpers in front of him. Other than this, he raises every pot he enters. I plan to try this strategy, but it got me wondering: What do you do with a hand like 66 or 77 in early position? or AJ, even? These are hands that I dump to a raise all the time, but I'd rather not throw them away pre-flop in early position?Any ideas?

[MasterRich 0]

I'd tried this for awhile and found myself losing early in torneys and having more losing sessions in ring games....the problem is people lose respect for your raise after a while and you have to adjust your game and tighten up once that happens.....what i found out happens is i start winning small pots and building a nice stack, but then i usually pick up a hand like AA, AK, or KK, hands that are hard to get away from and get 3 or 4 calls to a nice size raise and either pull down a nice size pot or more often then not find myself up aginst 2 pair....i think its great to get a rep. at the table and pick up many small pots, but you are out of position usually and better adjust gears once people lose respect for your raise...

[turd ferguson 1]

I was actually wondering about this too. If it's an even in which you have plenty of room to maneuver I would often raise with a hand like AJ, but I like to limp with the low to mid pocket pairs. Some advice from experienced tournament players would be nice.

[Vatche 0]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

[turd ferguson 1]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

In a normal online tournament where you don't have a lot of chips to work with I agree, but I will play it in a tournament where the stacks are deep.

[Vatche 0]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

In a normal online tournament where you don't have a lot of chips to work with I agree, but I will play it in a tournament where the stacks are deep.

very tue...there isnt a whole lot of play in most of the tournies that i play in.

[PMJackson21 0]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

AJ in EP is trash in most situations; playable perhaps if your table is very tight, or if you are on the bubble and think you can steal from people trying to hang on to make the money.Low-mid pps are useful in deep stack situations, since your implied odds are so attractive. Very playable early when the blinds are low, but late in a tournament once the blinds get high, I'd be more inclined to muck a low PP utg/in ep then I would to limp.Patrick

[Suited_Up 2]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

AJ in EP is trash in most situations; playable perhaps if your table is very tight, or if you are on the bubble and think you can steal from people trying to hang on to make the money.Low-mid pps are useful in deep stack situations, since your implied odds are so attractive. Very playable early when the blinds are low, but late in a tournament once the blinds get high, I'd be more inclined to muck a low PP utg/in ep then I would to limp.Patrick

Agreed.

[therrinn 0]

I'm a fan of always coming in for a raise other than in a few very specific situations (usually dictated by the blinds and stack levels). You want other people to be making moves that are - EV for them. If you limp, you're really not inducing other people to make mistakes.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

I actually use this strategy and it works quite well. I NEVER limp into a pot unless someone has limped in front of me. I also play tight aggressive poker. I don't limp with hands like j10 in early position like some players. I fold most of the times, sometimes I will raise. I will raise with hands like 88's and 77's. The problem many people might have is when they get reraised, they might be calling with marginal hands. If I get reraised on my j/10 I have no problem laying it down.Another good thing about raising is that no one can put you on a hand. If the flop comes down ace high and I lead into the pot, I will take it down 75% of the time no matter what I am holding.Another great thing about this strategy is that if you raise with a marginal hand, such as pocket 8's and get reraised, you can fold. Then if the next hand you get a monster and raise AGAIN, people are going to get tired of your raising and start reraising you. This will pay off emensley when you do have a real solid hand.I use this strategy in sit n gos and tournaments, not cash games.Any opinions on this?

[turd ferguson 1]

I actually use this strategy and it works quite well. I NEVER limp into a pot unless someone has limped in front of me. I also play tight aggressive poker. I don't limp with hands like j10 in early position like some players. I fold most of the times, sometimes I will raise. I will raise with hands like 88's and 77's. The problem many people might have is when they get reraised, they might be calling with marginal hands. If I get reraised on my j/10 I have no problem laying it down.Another good thing about raising is that no one can put you on a hand. If the flop comes down ace high and I lead into the pot, I will take it down 75% of the time no matter what I am holding.Another great thing about this strategy is that if you raise with a marginal hand, such as pocket 8's and get reraised, you can fold. Then if the next hand you get a monster and raise AGAIN, people are going to get tired of your raising and start reraising you. This will pay off emensley when you do have a real solid hand.I use this strategy in sit n gos and tournaments, not cash games.Any opinions on this?

TP/MM

[MikeJohnson724 0]

I actually use this strategy and it works quite well. I NEVER limp into a pot unless someone has limped in front of me. I also play tight aggressive poker. I don't limp with hands like j10 in early position like some players. I fold most of the times, sometimes I will raise. I will raise with hands like 88's and 77's. The problem many people might have is when they get reraised, they might be calling with marginal hands. If I get reraised on my j/10 I have no problem laying it down.Another good thing about raising is that no one can put you on a hand. If the flop comes down ace high and I lead into the pot, I will take it down 75% of the time no matter what I am holding.Another great thing about this strategy is that if you raise with a marginal hand, such as pocket 8's and get reraised, you can fold. Then if the next hand you get a monster and raise AGAIN, people are going to get tired of your raising and start reraising you. This will pay off emensley when you do have a real solid hand.I use this strategy in sit n gos and tournaments, not cash games.Any opinions on this?

TP/MM

Turd I respected you, I don't need your smart azz comments, just giving some insight. No need to talk sht

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

AJ in EP is trash in most situations; playable perhaps if your table is very tight, or if you are on the bubble and think you can steal from people trying to hang on to make the money.Low-mid pps are useful in deep stack situations, since your implied odds are so attractive. Very playable early when the blinds are low, but late in a tournament once the blinds get high, I'd be more inclined to muck a low PP utg/in ep then I would to limp.Patrick

What the fuck do you know about tournament play???(sw)

[Vatche 0]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

AJ in EP is trash in most situations; playable perhaps if your table is very tight, or if you are on the bubble and think you can steal from people trying to hang on to make the money.Low-mid pps are useful in deep stack situations, since your implied odds are so attractive. Very playable early when the blinds are low, but late in a tournament once the blinds get high, I'd be more inclined to muck a low PP utg/in ep then I would to limp.Patrick

i agree...on the same note, late in a tourny when the blinds and antes are high... i hate limping or calling with any cards, not jus low-mid pocket pairs.(rarely, ill try to trap with a monster knowing no one else will be getting involved and were going to the flop heads up.)

[AceyDeucy 0]

I realize this belongs in strategy, but I wanted some quick responses.I read Howard Lederer's interview the other day where he said that the only time he will limp into a pot is if he's in late position and there are multiple limpers in front of him. Other than this, he raises every pot he enters. I plan to try this strategy, but it got me wondering: What do you do with a hand like 66 or 77 in early position? or AJ, even? These are hands that I dump to a raise all the time, but I'd rather not throw them away pre-flop in early position?Any ideas?

Dump 'em. It's part of the point of always coming in with a raise is that it sharpens your hand selection. If you are iffy about playing it with a raise, ditch it. Remember Dannendonk: Laying down the hand is only a small mistake.

[SweetDaddyFreak 0]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position  go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

I hate to do this but it must be done...AQ if I had Chili...sorry

[Vatche 0]

I wipe my ass with AJ in early position...as far as the low-mid pocket pairs in early position  go, i try to see a flop as cheap as i can, even 22(if the raiser has a lot of chips)...hit a set and chances are that ur going to win a nice pot...

I hate to do this but it must be done...AQ if I had Chili...sorry

lolll...nice "tilt" reference...don "the matador" everest is my hero.

[turd ferguson 1]

I actually use this strategy and it works quite well. I NEVER limp into a pot unless someone has limped in front of me. I also play tight aggressive poker. I don't limp with hands like j10 in early position like some players. I fold most of the times, sometimes I will raise. I will raise with hands like 88's and 77's.  The problem many people might have is when they get reraised, they might be calling with marginal hands. If I get reraised on my j/10 I have no problem laying it down.Another good thing about raising is that no one can put you on a hand. If the flop comes down ace high and I lead into the pot, I will take it down 75% of the time no matter what I am holding.Another great thing about this strategy is that if you raise with a marginal hand, such as pocket 8's and get reraised, you can fold. Then if the next hand you get a monster and raise AGAIN, people are going to get tired of your raising and start reraising you. This will pay off emensley when you do have a real solid hand.I use this strategy in sit n gos and tournaments, not cash games.Any opinions on this?

TP/MM

Turd I respected you, I don't need your smart azz comments, just giving some insight. No need to talk sht

Calm down man. I was just messing around. If you've read enough of my posts to "respect" me then you would know not to take me or yourself that seriously. That said, the reason I responded as I did was because you came off as a little bit pompous. Here's a tip: Don't write advice in the first person. It makes you sound arrogant.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

I actually use this strategy and it works quite well. I NEVER limp into a pot unless someone has limped in front of me. I also play tight aggressive poker. I don't limp with hands like j10 in early position like some players. I fold most of the times, sometimes I will raise. I will raise with hands like 88's and 77's.  The problem many people might have is when they get reraised, they might be calling with marginal hands. If I get reraised on my j/10 I have no problem laying it down.Another good thing about raising is that no one can put you on a hand. If the flop comes down ace high and I lead into the pot, I will take it down 75% of the time no matter what I am holding.Another great thing about this strategy is that if you raise with a marginal hand, such as pocket 8's and get reraised, you can fold. Then if the next hand you get a monster and raise AGAIN, people are going to get tired of your raising and start reraising you. This will pay off emensley when you do have a real solid hand.I use this strategy in sit n gos and tournaments, not cash games.Any opinions on this?

TP/MM

Turd I respected you, I don't need your smart azz comments, just giving some insight. No need to talk sht

Calm down man. I was just messing around. If you've read enough of my posts to "respect" me then you would know not to take me or yourself that seriously. That said, the reason I responded as I did was because you came off as a little bit pompous. Here's a tip: Don't write advice in the first person. It makes you sound arrogant.

Thanks for the info turd. I am still new to this whole forum thing.

[turd ferguson 1]

Thanks for the info turd. I am still new to this whole forum thing.

It's all good. You seem like a cool guy, and you can formulate a sentence with a reasonable degree of intelligence so you're already a step ahead of most of the people on here. See you around.

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

I actually use this strategy and it works quite well. I NEVER limp into a pot unless someone has limped in front of me. I also play tight aggressive poker. I don't limp with hands like j10 in early position like some players. I fold most of the times, sometimes I will raise. I will raise with hands like 88's and 77's.  The problem many people might have is when they get reraised, they might be calling with marginal hands. If I get reraised on my j/10 I have no problem laying it down.Another good thing about raising is that no one can put you on a hand. If the flop comes down ace high and I lead into the pot, I will take it down 75% of the time no matter what I am holding.Another great thing about this strategy is that if you raise with a marginal hand, such as pocket 8's and get reraised, you can fold. Then if the next hand you get a monster and raise AGAIN, people are going to get tired of your raising and start reraising you. This will pay off emensley when you do have a real solid hand.I use this strategy in sit n gos and tournaments, not cash games.Any opinions on this?

TP/MM

Turd I respected you, I don't need your smart azz comments, just giving some insight. No need to talk sht

Calm down man. I was just messing around. If you've read enough of my posts to "respect" me then you would know not to take me or yourself that seriously. That said, the reason I responded as I did was because you came off as a little bit pompous. Here's a tip: Don't write advice in the first person. It makes you sound arrogant.

Are you saying he should give advise in the third person?? MikeJohnson NEVER limps into a pot unless someone has limped in front of MikeJohnson...

[turd ferguson 1]

Are you saying he should give advise in the third person?? MikeJohnson NEVER limps into a pot unless someone has limped in front of MikeJohnson...

Turd Ferguson does not appreciate you making jokes at his expense. Turd feels that it cheapens his genius, and he will maintain his dignity by not responding in kind.

[RhinestoneCowboy 2]

Are you saying he should give advise in the third person?? MikeJohnson NEVER limps into a pot unless someone has limped in front of MikeJohnson...

Turd Ferguson does not appreciate you making jokes at his expense. Turd feels that it cheapens his genius, and he will maintain his dignity by not responding in kind.

[turd ferguson 1]

Are you saying he should give advise in the third person?? MikeJohnson NEVER limps into a pot unless someone has limped in front of MikeJohnson...

Turd Ferguson does not appreciate you making jokes at his expense. Turd feels that it cheapens his genius, and he will maintain his dignity by not responding in kind.

You should have bolded the word "genius" as well. It would have been doubly funny and doubly untrue.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

Remember Dannendonk: Laying down the hand is only a small mistake.

Actually, I think it was more like, "not calling a raise is only a small mistake."