did i donk this one up?

[Bubba83 0]

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.50 BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxMP2 ($19.25)Hero ($56.85)CO ($7.25)Button ($66.80)SB ($74.55)BB ($61.60)UTG ($22.50)UTG+1 ($45.65)UTG+2 ($48.25)MP1 ($12.25)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8:diamond:, 9:diamond:. 4 folds, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.Flop: ($6.25) 9:spade:, T:heart:, 7:diamond: (4 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $2.5, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $2.50.Turn: ($11.25) A:diamond: (2 players)Hero bets $2.5, Hero calls $5.50.Villain was new to the table. I think the flop was a pretty clear call. I'm not sure what he could have when he raises me on the turn... He either bet AK into 3 people on the flop or has something like 10 10. I read him for something like JJ, QQ or KK the way it played out which is why I hoped he'd just call when I bet the ace turn, giving me a cheap draw. Was my call okay? His raise was sizeable but i'm open ended and have a flush draw. I plan to bet out $8-$12 on the river if i hit one of my draws.

[Scott3705 0]

confused as to whether UTG limped or posted blind here. converter doesn't pick him up preflop. If he has limped than calling is fine. If not, raise or fold... but that's me.You have to call the turn bet, I am unsure of the action before that though.I think you'll get dissenting opinions here as to whether or not you should have gotten more aggressive here. lead the flop, c/r the flop, etc. Calling isn't wrong here either.I am most concerned with the turn. if you're going to lead into him on a card that is not a scare card, why not C/R. Unless you're trying to represent A8, A9 suited, the bet accomplishes nothing. also, the bet is ridiculously small and it allows villain to define his hand with an inexpensive raise.I am curious to know how you interpretted his small bet on the flop. Is this strength for this particular player or weakness? With that information, I think we could all come with a better line that the one you brought here.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

A couple things..-If you're going to play 98s from MP3, I like to play it for a raise.-I probably raise the flop, we've got a pair an open ender.-The turn; you've got the flush draw now along with your open ender, do not just smooth call his raise. Re-raise from his 8 to, 25. Don't be afraid to get it all in with this hand. You've got likely outs for a flush, straight and your nine or eight might even still be good. It's very likely you have along the lines of 14-15 outs(we'll give you one out for the 9's and 8's).

[Pokerdad2222 0]

A couple things..-If you're going to play 98s from MP3, I like to play it for a raise.-I probably raise the flop, we've got a pair an open ender.-The turn; you've got the flush draw now along with your open ender, do not just smooth call his raise. Re-raise from his 8 to, 25. Don't be afraid to get it all in with this hand. You've got likely outs for a flush, straight and your nine or eight might even still be good. It's very likely you have along the lines of 14-15 outs(we'll give you one out for the 9's and 8's).

Agreed. betting 2.50 on this turn into an 11-12 dollar pot is really not good at all. If your going to bet, you have to bet much bigger. I agree with Scotty on the check-raise though. IF villian doesnt bet, you get a free card with a ton of draws, if he does you check raise and if he repops then you get your money in wiht a ton of winning chances on the river.

[Scott3705 0]

A couple things..-I probably raise the flop, we've got a pair an open ender.

If you mean C/R, I think before we take this line we need to have some sort of understanding for what the smallish flop bet means for this particular player. If you mean lead, I would wonder how this player will react. is he going to reraise with AK here? Or is he likely to fold or just call?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

A couple things..-I probably raise the flop, we've got a pair an open ender.

If you mean C/R, I think before we take this line we need to have some sort of understanding for what the smallish flop bet means for this particular player. If you mean lead, I would wonder how this player will react. is he going to reraise with AK here? Or is he likely to fold or just call?

Check/raising enough to get some money in the pot and maybe get a free card. It's the limit theory of betting your draws aggressively to buy a free card and build a pot as well as disguising your hand for when you do hit.

[Scott3705 0]

Check/raising enough to get some money in the pot and maybe get a free card. It's the limit theory of betting your draws aggressively to buy a free card and build a pot as well as disguising your hand for when you do hit.

I like to raise with position to get a free card. w/o position, What do you usually do if your the button and are C/Red on the flop and then checked to on the turn? I usually bet. I guess people can trap me more like this, but usually people with made hands who C/R and take the lead on the flop continue betting on the turn. Do you find that you can C/R and buy a free card w/o position often?

[revhq2646 0]

As to your question, I think you were dead on. Your $5.50 call on the turn was being paid at 4:1 you had 15 outs if the flush and straight were all live and 5 more if he held an over pair or AK,AQ, or AJ, of course if he has A9 you're going broke on the river if you hit trips, but that is a chance worth taking. I think based on his play AT was very likely though and you only had 15 outs. Still about 1 in 3 that you would make your hand on the river. DrawingDead's play would have saved you from getting sucked into this position though. Raise pre-flop to $1.50 and the button will raise hard if he has AA or KK, or call with Axs or a pair, fold most other hands. You either buy position, by driving out the hands through the button or get information on their hands. Calling gives this advantage to those who have yet to act.

[Scott3705 0]

You either buy position, by driving out the hands through the button or get information on their hands. Calling gives this advantage to those who have yet to act.

There is an argument for building a pot by including more people in the pot and having it go five ways to the flop. I do like taking the lead here and raising preflop though. But I raise almost anything this late w/o a raise or a lot of limpers in front of me.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Check/raising enough to get some money in the pot and maybe get a free card. It's the limit theory of betting your draws aggressively to buy a free card and build a pot as well as disguising your hand for when you do hit.

I like to raise with position to get a free card. w/o position, What do you usually do if your the button and are C/Red on the flop and then checked to on the turn? I usually bet. I guess people can trap me more like this, but usually people with made hands who C/R and take the lead on the flop continue betting on the turn. Do you find that you can C/R and buy a free card w/o position often?

--Heh, it's kinda vague question, but, if it's a draw heavy board, and the turn made any of the draws, I check behind. --Not often, per se. But, I really don't like playing these types of hands out of position, that's why I don't have to make a lot of these awkward decisions--I've almost completely forgot what it's like to limp from early position.A lot of this depends on the read I have on the villain. If I think he's a LAG/incompetent/weak tight, I'll probably check/raise him. It's all relative, I want to play very aggressive out of position on the flop so I can take it down right then and there. I don't want to be put to an ugly decision on either the turn or the river out of position--which is why I probably lay this down preflop, a little too early for my tastes.

[Bubba83 0]

To clear some things up, don't know why converter messed up but UTG limped in this hand. Which is why I called instead of raised preflop. My bet on the turn is representing an ace, but not trying to get him to fold. I think he just calls with JJ QQ or KK, which is what I thought he had, and if he had just called, I draw a lot cheaper than checking and letting him bet bigger.I don't really like c/r'ing the flop with an open ended being out of position. Even if we have the best hand with a pair of 8s now, the turn will likely be an overcard that we do not want to bet at.Also as I said in the original post, this player was new to the table and I had almost no reads, so I didn't know what to think of his bet on the flop. The only hand he had played was his 2nd at the table, pocket aces, and he bet pot size on the flop with that when he was checked to (also raised to $2 preflop after 1 caller)

[Bubba83 0]

I don't want to be put to an ugly decision on either the turn or the river out of position--which is why I probably lay this down preflop, a little too early for my tastes.

Hijack is too early to play a mid suited connector after 1 limper for you?

[Scott3705 0]

I don't want to be put to an ugly decision on either the turn or the river out of position--which is why I probably lay this down preflop, a little too early for my tastes.

Hijack is too early to play a mid suited connector after 1 limper for you?

Wow i didn't catch that before. that's amazing coming from him. I think he means raise/fold though.

[Bubba83 0]

Now that I cleared up that UTG had limped, do you guys have any different opinions about how to play the hand? Should I still raise preflop?

[Scott3705 0]

Now that I cleared up that UTG had limped, do you guys have any different opinions about how to play the hand? Should I still raise preflop?

As generic as it gets, I raise 50/50 here. I don't like raising UTG limpers, but i don't mind it either.

[Limit Player 0]

I hate our turn bet here. It screams weakness, or draw, and just encourages the villain to price us right out of it with a sizable raise. Although his raise was fairly tame, too. We lucked out there. He could've potted it.

[Scott3705 0]

To clear some things up, don't know why converter messed up but UTG limped in this hand. Which is why I called instead of raised preflop. My bet on the turn is representing an ace, but not trying to get him to fold. I think he just calls with JJ QQ or KK, which is what I thought he had, and if he had just called, I draw a lot cheaper than checking and letting him bet bigger.I don't really like c/r'ing the flop with an open ended being out of position. Even if we have the best hand with a pair of 8s now, the turn will likely be an overcard that we do not want to bet at.Also as I said in the original post, this player was new to the table and I had almost no reads, so I didn't know what to think of his bet on the flop. The only hand he had played was his 2nd at the table, pocket aces, and he bet pot size on the flop with that when he was checked to (also raised to $2 preflop after 1 caller)

I don't like the first part. If i'm villain, I am not going to let you represent an Ace when it makes very little sense.the Second part. I understand the rationale, i just don't think it will work enough. I think you got lucky to run into a donk who's afraid to take the lead from you after you make such small lead bet.

[Bubba83 0]

Understood about the turn, but please give an alternate line.The flop play is in question too. If I had bet out, I get a better feel for his hand, but if one of the early position players planned to check raise Villain then I put in money and have to fold. Checking allowed me to possibly see the turn for free, and also let me see if an early position player would check raise for free. If he raises me on this flop after i've bet out, it almost always means JJ QQ KK or AA. Sometimes an overplayed AK. Then I can safely make a big check raise on the turn, and he will mostly fold. But with my check call on the flop, I don't know much about his hand. That is the reason I didn't play it stronger on the turn. How should I play the turn if I just check call the flop? Should I check and call?

[Scott3705 0]

Understood about the turn, but please give an alternate line.The flop play is in question too. If I had bet out, I get a better feel for his hand, but if one of the early position players planned to check raise Villain then I put in money and have to fold. Checking allowed me to possibly see the turn for free, and also let me see if an early position player would check raise for free. If he raises me on this flop after i've bet out, it almost always means JJ QQ KK or AA. Sometimes an overplayed AK. Then I can safely make a big check raise on the turn, and he will mostly fold. But with my check call on the flop, I don't know much about his hand. That is the reason I didn't play it stronger on the turn. How should I play the turn if I just check call the flop? Should I check and call?

My alternative is lead or C/R the flop, probably lead, but i'd be open to a C/R.I don't like the flop. I don't think y ou get a free card here often enough. I also C/R this smallish bet (after you've checked the flop). But like i said, I likely lead. If i'm C/Red, I'm C/Red... i'll fold or raise based on my read.I don't think you make AA fold on a turn C/R enough. You take down AK with a flop C/R, so really it would have been beneficial to take it down cheaply on the flop and then see what happens on the turn. you don't get a fold from AA, KK QQ Unless you catch a j or your second pair or 6 (when you don't want a fold). Also, regardless of information, attack these smallish type flop bets and then re evaluate after you see his action.

[Bubba83 0]

Let's say we bet out $3 on the flop, button calls, BB/UTG fold.Now the turn comes ace, what's our line now? Big check raise? If we just bet out since we had the lead on the flop, I think he will raise lots on this turn if we just continuation bet, and we don't want to be the one making a decision, we want him to be.Any other lines?

[Scott3705 0]

Let's say we bet out $3 on the flop, button calls, BB/UTG fold.Now the turn comes ace, what's our line now? Big check raise? If we just bet out since we had the lead on the flop, I think he will raise lots on this turn if we just continuation bet, and we don't want to be the one making a decision, we want him to be.Any other lines?

The bet on the flop accomplishes this.1st. on the flop, we have no idea what the turn is bringing, so this should not be a consideration.2nd. Why would you C/R the turn?3rd. if he raises this turn, i'm pushing because if he's got me beat, he's raising the flop. what range of hands call the turn? A8?