just venting a little bit

[MikeJohnson724 0]

tight aggresive is not the only way to play winning poker. Just so you know, a skilled player can lag it up and make millions, just look at Alf13.people are just so damn closed minded. Speez live and if I have a good read I make the call everytime. 5 to 1 on your money plus you appear to have position. Why not?

Why wouldn't you play tight aggressive play against loose opponents? In the Cali cardrooms it pays dividends for sure. The loose players pay the made hands. It's wonderful.

[SpeedKills 0]

tight aggresive is not the only way to play winning poker. Just so you know, a skilled player can lag it up and make millions, just look at Alf13.people are just so damn closed minded. Speez live and if I have a good read I make the call everytime. 5 to 1 on your money plus you appear to have position. Why not?

finally someone agrees with me. Im going back tonight to play a little more, hopefully i dont have to come home venting again. This time i'll tell you guys how my 10 9 held up.

[mx957 0]

tight aggresive is not the only way to play winning poker. Just so you know, a skilled player can lag it up and make millions, just look at Alf13.people are just so damn closed minded. Speez live and if I have a good read I make the call everytime. 5 to 1 on your money plus you appear to have position. Why not?

Hey I can lag it up from time to time myself....I just don't get all bent out of shape when someone outdraws me. See here is what he fails to see....1) He was playing to get lucky 2) he thought he hit the nutz but failed to realize that the original raiser could still get lucky right back. It happens so when you go from behind to ahead to again behind, it's not that big of a deal. Just deal with it and move on.

[turd ferguson 1]

tight aggresive is not the only way to play winning poker. Just so you know, a skilled player can lag it up and make millions, just look at Alf13.people are just so damn closed minded. Speez live and if I have a good read I make the call everytime. 5 to 1 on your money plus you appear to have position. Why not?

finally someone agrees with me. Im going back tonight to play a little more, hopefully i dont have to come home venting again. This time i'll tell you guys how my 10 9 held up.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

[MikeJohnson724 0]

What I am nut understanding here is.. Why just call. 5 to 1 odds. Just push them all in and hope everyone calls, worse case one person doesn't call and then it would be 4 to 1? :roll:

[SpeedKills 0]

tight aggresive is not the only way to play winning poker. Just so you know, a skilled player can lag it up and make millions, just look at Alf13.people are just so damn closed minded. Speez live and if I have a good read I make the call everytime. 5 to 1 on your money plus you appear to have position. Why not?

Hey I can lag it up from time to time myself....I just don't get all bent out of shape when someone outdraws me. See here is what he fails to see....1) He was playing to get lucky 2) he thought he hit the nutz but failed to realize that the original raiser could still get lucky right back. It happens so when you go from behind to ahead to again behind, it's not that big of a deal. Just deal with it and move on.

I didnt get bent out of shape, when I lost just got mad and went on with it. I told the guy nh and left the table. Just had to vent a little bit instead of going on line and playing like a donk.

[turd ferguson 1]

tight aggresive is not the only way to play winning poker. Just so you know, a skilled player can lag it up and make millions, just look at Alf13.people are just so damn closed minded. Speez live and if I have a good read I make the call everytime. 5 to 1 on your money plus you appear to have position. Why not?

Hey I can lag it up from time to time myself....I just don't get all bent out of shape when someone outdraws me. See here is what he fails to see....1) He was playing to get lucky 2) he thought he hit the nutz but failed to realize that the original raiser could still get lucky right back. It happens so when you go from behind to ahead to again behind, it's not that big of a deal. Just deal with it and move on.

I didnt get bent out of shape, when I lost just got mad and went on with it. I told the guy nh and left the table. Just had to vent a little bit instead of going on line and playing like a donk.

So instead you decided to come on here and post like a donk? It may save you some money, but you took five years off the end of my life. You're going to annoy me straight to the grave.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

I didnt ignore it, I said it was a good drawing hand, I was in there to hit a flop, maybe be openended. Im going to take that shot everytime. If you want results for a whole year, you are going to have to wait til I graduate since I promised the p's I would. There is a little concept called pot odds and the odds were in my favor so I went with it.

There are so many things wrong with your mindset it's scary. Not only that, you are stubborn on top of it. I give up. Good luck at the tables.

If you give up, why did you post six more messages after giving up?Just giving you a hard time. I'm staying out of this discussion.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

I didnt ignore it, I said it was a good drawing hand, I was in there to hit a flop, maybe be openended. Im going to take that shot everytime. If you want results for a whole year, you are going to have to wait til I graduate since I promised the p's I would. There is a little concept called pot odds and the odds were in my favor so I went with it.

There are so many things wrong with your mindset it's scary. Not only that, you are stubborn on top of it. I give up. Good luck at the tables.

If you give up, why did you post six more messages after giving up?Just giving you a hard time. I'm staying out of this discussion.

[turd ferguson 1]

I didnt ignore it, I said it was a good drawing hand, I was in there to hit a flop, maybe be openended.  Im going to take that shot everytime.  If you want results for a whole year, you are going to have to wait til I graduate since I promised the p's I would.  There is a little concept called pot odds and the odds were in my favor so I went with it.

There are so many things wrong with your mindset it's scary. Not only that, you are stubborn on top of it. I give up. Good luck at the tables.

If you give up, why did you post six more messages after giving up?Just giving you a hard time. I'm staying out of this discussion.

I gave up at 3:00 a.m. this morning, but I decided to give it another shot when I made it to work this today to no avail. He is a lost cause. I like the effort you put into pointing out my mistakes though. Nice.

[GoStags92 0]

Did you lose those pots? Results please. Actually, never mind. I don't really care either way.

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing!

[borinka99 0]

I like how you said you put him on KJ/KQ AFTER knowing the results of the hand.I like how you say you're a 33/66 underdog JUST TO HIS HAND EVEN THOUGH 5 GUYS ARE IN after you know his hand. Same with the 75/25 after the flop.And you KNOW that he likes to steal bluffs so you decided to defend with T9 off? Why not wait for a decent hand to defend with?You say you had odds to win, but how often do you think T9o wins that pot against 4 other people who also called the $30 raise? If you're looking to hit this flop, you need to hit a minimum of trips on the flop most likely or flop a straight/FH.

[SpeedKills 0]

I like how you said you put him on KJ/KQ AFTER knowing the results of the hand.I like how you say you're a 33/66 underdog JUST TO HIS HAND EVEN THOUGH 5 GUYS ARE IN after you know his hand. Same with the 75/25 after the flop.And you KNOW that he likes to steal bluffs so you decided to defend with T9 off? Why not wait for a decent hand to defend with?You say you had odds to win, but how often do you think T9o wins that pot against 4 other people who also called the $30 raise? If you're looking to hit this flop, you need to hit a minimum of trips on the flop most likely or flop a straight/FH.

with that flop, i think i win the pot more often than not.

[Canary3 1]

to the original poster... im sure youve already heard this by now... not sure though but ur play was terrible ...... ur math is way off..... you had to put in 30 to win 150 ok.... so ur five to one..... against SIX PLAYERS! you keep on talking about ur read against that one aggressive player.... did you forget that you had to beat everyone else to get the money in the center?

[Canary3 1]

also... the rake for this game sounds way .... way too high! i think the rake at the bellagio 2000-4000 mixed game is 15 bucks every half hour

[GrinderMJ 0]

OP, you seem very stubborn and closed minded, with all the negative feedback you have received, you should realize that you made a bad play. I agree with Turd in and Mike Johnson, you played the hand very poorly. Accept the constructive criticism and move on.

[JoeWalsh 0]

If we are going to vent, lets make it about something serious. I lost just under $800 today against 6 2 outers. I cracked. I actually tilted and went insane.Every hand I had their underpair dominated, everytime I had them dominated, everytime the turn or river hit for them. I've been playing seriously for about 7 years and I have never had anything nearly like this. It was from a variety of situations. AA preflop, hitting top pair on flops, never was it a coin flipped. I always had their money in as a monster fav.Its not like there was no respect for me either. I play on Ladbrokes, which doesn't allow US players, and am known as a pretty tight player who hits the pot hard when I play. I don't bluff often etc.p.s. vent vent vent vent vent ventI know this is meant for the bad beat forum but I thought I would give the thread something really worth venting for.

[blueodum 0]

He should fold this hand pre-flop.Playing garbage hands like this in NL up front is a serious error. You want to limp with suited connectors (this wasn't suited) in position after others have limped as long as the blinds don't have a tendency to put in large reraises.You end up playing a large pot; almost inevitably you'll catch a piece off the flop, enough to justify staying in to yourself. You'll rarely hit the nuts (opponents may hit flushes or higher straights) even when you do get a nice hand out of it. And good players won't pay you off with inferior cards if there are obvious straights on the board.Unless you see the flop cheap and the players involved (including yourself) are deep stacked, you will not get the implied odds for this hand to turn a profit when you are out of position.

[Jeff 0]

You see this on a lot of message boards. Somebody will ask people to review their hand history and tell them if they correctly made their little trick move on the turn. Then the poster becomes hyper-defensive when everybody tells him how poorly he played pre-flop and on the flop. That guy is so caught up in playing tricky that he blames his poor results on not executing his fancy plays correctly while his real problem is he completely doinks the fundamentals. He knows he should have mucked the hand pre-flop, he knows he made a loose call on the flop, but he’ll argue for pages and pages that he did those things because he’s a good enough player to get away with it. Of course, he’s on a message board asking people to critique his play so that should be some sort of indication of how true that statement actually is.

[borinka99 0]

I like how you said you put him on KJ/KQ AFTER knowing the results of the hand.I like how you say you're a 33/66 underdog JUST TO HIS HAND EVEN THOUGH 5 GUYS ARE IN after you know his hand. Same with the 75/25 after the flop.And you KNOW that he likes to steal bluffs so you decided to defend with T9 off? Why not wait for a decent hand to defend with?You say you had odds to win, but how often do you think T9o wins that pot against 4 other people who also called the $30 raise? If you're looking to hit this flop, you need to hit a minimum of trips on the flop most likely or flop a straight/FH.

with that flop, i think i win the pot more often than not.

Still w/ the hindsight. How often are you going to hit the flop like that? That flop was not perfect for you, and against FIVE people (not 1 like you think), you're going to have to hit perfectly to win.Just because KQ was the one guy that stayed in the whole way, doesn't mean some of the other had you killed even worse.

[_Great_Dane_ 0]

So i take a trip up to Trump tonight to play some 2/5 NL after I bust out of the freeroll. Starts off good I win about 150 the first hand, 4 more hours of playing and im sitting on around 250, 50 up. Getting tired and i tell myself I'm out after the next dealer switch. I play a few hands and I am down to about 180. Get dealt 10 9 offsuit, so I limp. The button makes it 30 to go with about 6 people already calling the 5. There was 2 callers before me and I knew for sure that atleast 1 other would call also. So 150 in the pot before the flop.Flop 10 8 7 all offsuitoriginal raiser bets out 100OR was raising all night and trying to steal pots, so I dont put him on much. It folds to me, I jam for 155. Folds all the way around to OR and he says, I have to call, which yea he did because theres already 400 in the pot and its only 55 more to him to catch something. He turns over KQ and the turn is a K river is a 3. And I lose. Not really mad about how the guy played it, just wish he would have bet 50 on the flop so I could have pushed him off a hand like KQ. I dont think its too bad of a beat, just wanted to vent a little bit. Good night all, and congratulations on the guys that won the Vegas Trip. You better root for the Bears, cause there takin it all.

[benhoug 0]

i had my aces beat by a4. also, i had q7 hrts beaten by 2hrt4os, when board read a345hrtsx. all when the bubble just burst in an mtt. i lost obviously.............

If we're talking about AA I had 'em twice. First time lost a big pot to 10 4 on a rag flop w/ 2 :diamond:s. I raised, bet the pot on the flop, bet the pot on the turn and had to call on the river 'cause there was so much out there.2nd time they lost to 99 when I limp-re-raised and he caught a 9 on the flop.

[Bleacher Bum 0]

why would u give me a link to the bad beats, I didnt say it was too bad of a beat, just said i was venting a little bit.  And how is my preflop play horrible.  Calling a raise with 5 other people when I have a real good drawing hand?  Explain Turd

10 9 offsuit is not a "real good drawing hand." You should be sending that straight to the muck in almost every scenario in a no-limit ring game.I was just giving you a hard time about the bad beat thing.

I actually think 10 9 is not that bad of a hand. I know not to really go crazy with it if I only hit like top pair. But you get a lot of draws with it especially if its suited. I have actually made quite of a lot of my with that hand. And yes I am a winning player and quite consistently, especially in live poker. Over the summer when I can devote my time to strictly playing poker, I was making about 12-15 hundred a week playing 2/5 NL, with a 200 buy in. So I think that does classify me as a winning player. And no hard feelings about the bad beat thread.

Making 12-15 hundred a week but still only buying in for $200.BS sirens are definitely going off.