can’t win on the net, but win in brick & mortar?

[chopper88 0]

And that's the thing-It's not very hard to beat 3/6 limit HE online for $50 / hr. You could make more money while risking less if you learned to beat the online game.Now imagine you can beat 5/10. Whoo.

only way ur pullin this is if ur 3 or 4 tabling

So?Like that's hard?

[speedz99 145]

Then your game is defective. You're doing something wrong and arent as good as you think you are.B+M is easier to beat by far (worse players), so you're good enough to beat that but your game isn't robust enough to beat an online game.

You're insane. The players are much much worse online. There's obviously nothing wrong with his game if he's showing a profit of 47,000 in a B&M.

That's ridiculous, especially at the 10/20 and 15/30 level.Live 3/6 plays worse than .50/1 most of the time.

Agreed.When comparing live to online you need to go down about two blind levels to find the same skill.Maybe that's why OP beats online 3-6 (similar to live 10-20/15-30) but loses at online 15-30 (similar to live 40-80).OP - are you multi tabling online?

[Cheppa 0]

Agreed.When comparing live to online you need to go down about two blind levels to find the same skill.Maybe that's why OP beats online 3-6 (similar to live 10-20/15-30) but loses at online 15-30 (similar to live 40-80).OP - are you multi tabling online?

No, I am not multi tabling. I have played 40/80 twice at the Mirage and manged to win $2100 my first session and $1900 my second session.I know thats not enough play. I played solid poker and never got very lucky.

[speedz99 145]

Agreed.When comparing live to online you need to go down about two blind levels to find the same skill.Maybe that's why OP beats online 3-6 (similar to live 10-20/15-30) but loses at online 15-30 (similar to live 40-80).OP - are you multi tabling online?

No, I am not multi tabling. I have played 40/80 twice at the Mirage and manged to win $2100 my first session and $1900 my second session.

Interesting.Why don't you throw $1,800 into an account and play 3-6? Then when your roll gets big enough take a shot at the next level...if you lose 150BB go back down a level...and repeat. You know...bankroll management like the rest of us schlubs.If you truly are a good player you'll eventually figure out how to beat each limit. Maybe you've already tried this...but maybe try again and be patient. And buy pokertracker.

[Jeff 0]

Then your game is defective. You're doing something wrong and arent as good as you think you are.B+M is easier to beat by far (worse players), so you're good enough to beat that but your game isn't robust enough to beat an online game.

Wrong. Online players use Poker Tracker and a host of other statistical software that targets individual's tendencies in any situation. These can be exploited to the savvy tech guru.

[celtic020 0]

OP, I feel your pain. Ive been playing Online for about two year and am significantly down. I just cant beat the game. In live games, I have been able to kill most ring games I have sat in over the same period, mainly at 5 10 or 10 20. I dont know what it is, I just cant beat the online game. I havent played online since I took a one outter beat on the river with 30 people left in a big multi on stars. Plain and Simple, I dont know how to beat the online games, but love the live ring games.

[stealfromblind 0]

ysapky

[Cheppa 0]

ysapky

? lol

[flash420 0]

Its like 90% of people on the internet dont understand poker at all. They will put all their chips on the line for a gut shot and then hit it. I was playing in a 1-2 open game the other night, and I floped a set, but there was a flush/straight draw on the board. The pot was about $100. I realized that the one guy was on a flush draw, but thought that the other player had a big ace, so I bet out $100 to lose the flush. Of course that player drops out, but the other player calls. The river is a blank and I bet out $150 which was half the pot. I expected a call, but the player turns over KJ offsuit and says, oh i missed. Its incredible. In a live game, it seems like those draws never hit, but online for some reason they will never miss, and it pisses me off to no end. I got paid off big time in the live game for no reason, but online, im the one paying the clowns off. So thats all I have to say about that!!!

[Cheppa 0]

Its like 90% of people on the internet dont understand poker at all. They will put all their chips on the line for a gut shot and then hit it. I was playing in a 1-2 open game the other night, and I floped a set, but there was a flush/straight draw on the board. The pot was about $100. I realized that the one guy was on a flush draw, but thought that the other player had a big ace, so I bet out $100 to lose the flush. Of course that player drops out, but the other player calls. The river is a blank and I bet out $150 which was half the pot. I expected a call, but the player turns over KJ offsuit and says, oh i missed. Its incredible. In a live game, it seems like those draws never hit, but online for some reason they will never miss, and it censored me off to no end. I got paid off big time in the live game for no reason, but online, im the one paying the clowns off. So thats all I have to say about that!!!

I hear where you are coming from and agree with you on B&M poker. The donks do hit on occasion at B&M, but way more often as online. The losses don't seem to be as severe as online and as frequent.I know there is the argument that you see almost 3 times as many hands, so you will get 3 times as many bad beats. The beats I have seen online, are just so rediculus and and happen way more often than they should. Its like people have a crystal ball.Some calls just make no sense. Or are people playing more than one seat at a ring game table?

[flash420 0]

Its like 90% of people on the internet dont understand poker at all. They will put all their chips on the line for a gut shot and then hit it. I was playing in a 1-2 open game the other night, and I floped a set, but there was a flush/straight draw on the board. The pot was about $100. I realized that the one guy was on a flush draw, but thought that the other player had a big ace, so I bet out $100 to lose the flush. Of course that player drops out, but the other player calls. The river is a blank and I bet out $150 which was half the pot. I expected a call, but the player turns over KJ offsuit and says, oh i missed. Its incredible. In a live game, it seems like those draws never hit, but online for some reason they will never miss, and it censored me off to no end. I got paid off big time in the live game for no reason, but online, im the one paying the clowns off. So thats all I have to say about that!!!

I hear where you are coming from and agree with you on B&M poker. The donks do hit on occasion at B&M, but way more often as online. The losses don't seem to be as severe as online and as frequent.I know there is the argument that you see almost 3 times as many hands, so you will get 3 times as many bad beats. The beats I have seen online, are just so rediculus and and happen way more often than they should. Its like people have a crystal ball.Some calls just make no sense. Or are people playing more than one seat at a ring game table?

You are right about seeing more hands online. It just so happens for whatever reason that I will get stupid ridiculous calls one right after another on different tables causing me to have to shut everything down and leave the pc alone or the whole system would be out the window from the top floor. Funny, but in a live game if something like this happens, ill just take a walk and go get some food or a drink. When im at the pc, its harder to get up and leave. I dont know why. I think that winning in a live setting is much easier for me, so I feel like I can gain back those chips easier. I dont have these kinds of stats online so im still trying to prove myself.

[Marchione 0]

are you playing B&M at the casino in halifax ????the guy you are talking about long hair, beard and glasses ~ is that Doug ?casue if so i will be able to answer some of your questions

[blueodum 0]

There are two things that will help you make money online almost immediately.1) Game Selection2) Judicious use of bonuses#1 is a no brainer. There are so many games to choose from online, you should make it a point to play in the games that suit your style of play. After a few months trial and error, you should be zeroed in on the types of game that are +ev for you.$2. I'm not saying you should necessarily go for every bonus, but have a bunch of regular ones that you pursue is wise. Even if you are a -0.2 BB/hour against that particular competition, the bonus will put you in the black. This strategy is good when you multitable up to 5/10 limit.

[Cheppa 0]

are you playing B&M at the casino in halifax ????the guy you are talking about long hair, beard and glasses ~ is that Doug ?casue if so i will be able to answer some of your questions

Lol, do I need to answer that? How many people do you know occasionaly come to the casino still in thier pajamas? Yes it is. You a halagonian?

[Marchione 0]

are you playing B&M at the casino in halifax ????the guy you are talking about long hair, beard and glasses ~ is that Doug ?casue if so i will be able to answer some of your questions

Lol, do I need to answer that? How many people do you know occasionaly come to the casino still in thier pajamas? Yes it is. You a halagonian?

i have been known to play at casino nova scotia ~ doug , robin winston the whole crew !!!Doug is not a bad player in fact he is very good ~ but there is a few other people at that casino who are better (who the old guy who won 180k playing there )When winston won his bad beat(back in july) 10-10-10-10 i was at the table in seat number one !

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

if it's any consolation, I'm with you sir. Live, I'm comfortable in up to 5/10 NL...online, I feel like a fish. I tend to tilt worse and get more impatient to make dramatic plays. I think it's the allure of SH games and how they award aggression. Of course, they result in far more variance as well. Then I'll drop down in online limits to 'play it safe' and ultimately get frustrated with the size of the pots and the caliber of the players. Ultimately, however, I think it's my inability to get consistent reads online vs spending 12 hours at a live table with a fairly consistent stable of players. Marginal spots seem much clearer to me in live play vs online.

[Cheppa 0]

i have been known to play at casino nova scotia ~ doug ' date=' robin winston the whole crew !!!Doug is not a bad player in fact he is very good ~ but there is a few other people at that casino who are better (who the old guy who won 180k playing there )When winston won his bad beat(back in july) 10-10-10-10 i was at the table in seat number one ![/quote']What do you mean by this: (who the old guy who won 180k playing there ) None of these winnings include bad beat jackpots. Now, on the matter of Winston.. (Black hair about 45-50 years old) I hope you are not saying he is a good player. lol Now there is Bill. He is very good as well. Always sits in seat #7, glasses hat and retired. I would give him credit for winning $60-80K minus the two bad beats he won and the one his wife won.Now the guy i mentioned who won $80000, does not play in halifax. You would not know him.

[foldnrun 0]

i have the exact same "fortune" you could call it i guess. i normally beat the B&M every time i go, which is 3 days a week at min, but the only reason i go there so often is because i stopped myself from playing online. i used to play last year quite often, i would have one winning session and then 5 in a row of just insane bad beats and everything else. im not complaining, losing the 2 grand online last year proved to be verrrry +ev for me as i made almost 5x that in the last quarter of the year at the b&m, but i just couldnt figure out why i had such crazy differences between live and online. now i dont try to figure it out anymore, i just take the money from the casino, and leave the online games to the rest of you chris moneymakers.

[Cheppa 0]

if it's any consolation, I'm with you sir. Live, I'm comfortable in up to 5/10 NL...online, I feel like a fish. I tend to tilt worse and get more impatient to make dramatic plays. I think it's the allure of SH games and how they award aggression. Of course, they result in far more variance as well. Then I'll drop down in online limits to 'play it safe' and ultimately get frustrated with the size of the pots and the caliber of the players. Ultimately, however, I think it's my inability to get consistent reads online vs spending 12 hours at a live table with a fairly consistent stable of players. Marginal spots seem much clearer to me in live play vs online.

you couldn't have said it better.

[Marchione 0]

not alot of player in nova scotia know how to play position cause its not need (im not saying thats your case ~ im just being general)~do you have a poker tracker for online play ?i am now living in Australia and i sure do miss that 5-10 limit on friday sat nights !!what i dont miss is the rude staff (there is a floor woman who is rude as hell)

[Marchione 0]

winston is not a (BAD) player ~ he seems to win at the 5-10 somewhat regularly ~didnt bill place well in some torny in vegas or something ~~~Robin lindsy grinds out his living on the 5-10 but cant win online

[chopper88 0]

Then your game is defective. You're doing something wrong and arent as good as you think you are.B+M is easier to beat by far (worse players), so you're good enough to beat that but your game isn't robust enough to beat an online game.

Wrong. Online players use Poker Tracker and a host of other statistical software that targets individual's tendencies in any situation. These can be exploited to the savvy tech guru.

This is retarded. B+M players are worse by far, and PT isn't gonna make you beat the game if you are not a good player.

[Marchione 0]

Then your game is defective. You're doing something wrong and arent as good as you think you are.B+M is easier to beat by far (worse players), so you're good enough to beat that but your game isn't robust enough to beat an online game.

Wrong. Online players use Poker Tracker and a host of other statistical software that targets individual's tendencies in any situation. These can be exploited to the savvy tech guru.

This is retarded. B+M players are worse by far, and PT isn't gonna make you beat the game if you are not a good player.

i will come to the defence of this guy ~ if he is winning at the 10-20 and 15-30 at casino nova scotia he is NOT a bad player infact he plays with some very good players ~ he just might have some online leaks

[Cheppa 0]

No, I do not have a poker tracker for online.If you liked the 5/10 game in halifax.. you would love the 10/20 and 15/30 games. The 15/30 game goes on Sundays and most Wednesdays.The rest of the week you will find the 10/20 game.PS. I don't play in Halifax as often as I used to because there is a poker room in moncton with 10 tables playing a varitey of games. They treat the customers much better. They listen to them!!!Though I do miss the crew in halifax... especially TIM. lol. One of the best hand readers around. If he could ever stop calling people to prove his reads and stop playing the long shots (the gambler in him) he would be a very good player.

[Cheppa 0]

i will come to the defence of this guy ~ if he is winning at the 10-20 and 15-30 at casino nova scotia he is NOT a bad player infact he plays with some very good players ~ he just might have some online leaks

The 10/20 and 15/30 games in Halfax are harder to beat than the 10/20 and the 20/40 at the Mirage. We don't get as many tourists, so we are mostly playing regulars.