Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 because it is the highest limit game out there, and he is beating it.From what ive have seen he has not beat the best players. Neverwin has said that he put a beating on DC and that he wished he had played him more as he was crushin him...preWPT DN was a limit pro. granted he may be a little rusty and not used to the internet players style but i think the fact that he is able to post some wins while he readjusts and regains his game can only mean bad things for DC. If DC was going to win now is the time to do it. DN has the ability to adjust his game throughout a match and im not sure DC will be able to do the same once DN gets his full game back Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip_339 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 because it is the highest limit game out there, and he is beating it.I don't think Daniel is the 'big winner'' in this game. I would even doubt whether he is 'beating it'. I have nothing against Daniel, he seems like a great person, and he is one of the best tournament players, and one of the best cash game players, but i just don't know that he is beating the game yet. He has his up sessions, and his down sessions, and in my opinion, he would be close to a break-even player in the game, at the moment. To say that he is beating the likes of Doyle Brunson, Chip Reece, Phil Ivey, Barry Greenstein Jennifer Harman, Chau Giang, and others would just be stupid, imo. But, i don't think he is losing either. We don't really know much about the big game, and really, i don't think many of us have a clue about who is a winner and who is a loser, but from what i read in Daniel's blog, he isn't the big winner in the game.And to answer the question, why would anyone want to play Daniel, it's because, most people want to play the best. If i play on a site like ftp, and one of the pro's are in the same tournament, i'm hoping that they are on my table, because i want to beat him, although this wouldn't rewally mean much, i still want to test my skills against the best. To be the best, you have to beat the best....isn't that a saying? lol. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 because it is the highest limit game out there, and he is beating it.From what ive have seen he has not beat the best players. Neverwin has said that he put a beating on DC and that he wished he had played him more as he was crushin him...preWPT DN was a limit pro. granted he may be a little rusty and not used to the internet players style but i think the fact that he is able to post some wins while he readjusts and regains his game can only mean bad things for DC. If DC was going to win now is the time to do it. DN has the ability to adjust his game throughout a match and im not sure DC will be able to do the same once DN gets his full game backI was talking about DN there. Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Why anyone would challenge a world class player to high stakes? Daniel is one of the best players in the world and to try and beat someone who is the best at something is -EV. I dont challenge Tiger Woods to Golf. I go to to the inner city junior high, find the smallest kid, punch him in the faceand then asks if he wants to play golf for money. DC needs to find +EV situations like this to make money.Simple: To be the best you have to beat the best.DC is not nearly as bad as some on here think. I think DN's edge is small at best.I told my wife about these challenge matches as I was watching last night and she remarked how it would be funny if DC v DN was just DN v DN all just to promote his site. Very well could be the case! Can anyone who has been following for a while say whether they have seen DC playing for a long time at this site? Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip_339 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Why anyone would challenge a world class player to high stakes? Daniel is one of the best players in the world and to try and beat someone who is the best at something is -EV. I dont challenge Tiger Woods to Golf. I go to to the inner city junior high, find the smallest kid, punch him in the faceand then asks if he wants to play golf for money. DC needs to find +EV situations like this to make money. Simple: To be the best you have to beat the best.DC is not nearly as bad as some on here think. I think DN's edge is small at best.I told my wife about these challenge matches as I was watching last night and she remarked how it would be funny if DC v DN was just DN v DN all just to promote his site. Very well could be the case! Can anyone who has been following for a while say whether they have seen DC playing for a long time at this site?Hey, i used that quote....lol. And, before the launch of FCP, i had never heard of DreamClown, but i think he was known on NWP before FCP was lauched, so i doubt it would be DN vs DN. [/b] Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 my bad no neck..i thought i was quoting mr jones...guess next time i shoudl pay attention Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Why anyone would challenge a world class player to high stakes? Daniel is one of the best players in the world and to try and beat someone who is the best at something is -EV. I dont challenge Tiger Woods to Golf. I go to to the inner city junior high, find the smallest kid, punch him in the faceand then asks if he wants to play golf for money. DC needs to find +EV situations like this to make money. Simple: To be the best you have to beat the best.DC is not nearly as bad as some on here think. I think DN's edge is small at best.I told my wife about these challenge matches as I was watching last night and she remarked how it would be funny if DC v DN was just DN v DN all just to promote his site. Very well could be the case! Can anyone who has been following for a while say whether they have seen DC playing for a long time at this site?Hey, i used that quote....lol. And, before the launch of FCP, i had never heard of DreamClown, but i think he was known on NWP before FCP was lauched, so i doubt it would be DN vs DN. [/b]PLease forgive my ignorance: what is NWP? TIA. Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip_339 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Why anyone would challenge a world class player to high stakes? Daniel is one of the best players in the world and to try and beat someone who is the best at something is -EV. I dont challenge Tiger Woods to Golf. I go to to the inner city junior high, find the smallest kid, punch him in the faceand then asks if he wants to play golf for money. DC needs to find +EV situations like this to make money. Simple: To be the best you have to beat the best.DC is not nearly as bad as some on here think. I think DN's edge is small at best.I told my wife about these challenge matches as I was watching last night and she remarked how it would be funny if DC v DN was just DN v DN all just to promote his site. Very well could be the case! Can anyone who has been following for a while say whether they have seen DC playing for a long time at this site?Hey, i used that quote....lol. And, before the launch of FCP, i had never heard of DreamClown, but i think he was known on NWP before FCP was lauched, so i doubt it would be DN vs DN. [/b]PLease forgive my ignorance: what is NWP? TIA.Haha, i'll tell, if you tell what TIA is. I'm going to guess it's Thanks in Advance, but don't know for sure. And NWP is Neverwin Poker, its like the 'rival' forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Touche! And yes, you are right, TIA = Thanks In Advance.So Dreamclown was a poster on NWP? Going back to my point above, has anyone seen DC play online before now?I think I need my tinfoil hat... :lol:Of course, I'd play them all but I want the stakes to be $100K/$200K with $20m buy in. Link to post Share on other sites
Phillip_339 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Touche! And yes, you are right, TIA = Thanks In Advance.So Dreamclown was a poster on NWP? Going back to my point above, has anyone seen DC play online before now?I think I need my tinfoil hat... :lol:Of course, I'd play them all but I want the stakes to be $100K/$200K with $20m buy in.Haha, i don't know for sure, but i think that DreamClown sometimes posts on NWP, and i think that people had seem him play before, through him posting on NWP....but no, i hadn't seen him play before now. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Why anyone would challenge a world class player to high stakes? Daniel is one of the best players in the world and to try and beat someone who is the best at something is -EV. I dont challenge Tiger Woods to Golf. I go to to the inner city junior high, find the smallest kid, punch him in the faceand then asks if he wants to play golf for money. DC needs to find +EV situations like this to make money.Simple: To be the best you have to beat the best.DC is not nearly as bad as some on here think. I think DN's edge is small at best.I told my wife about these challenge matches as I was watching last night and she remarked how it would be funny if DC v DN was just DN v DN all just to promote his site. Very well could be the case! Can anyone who has been following for a while say whether they have seen DC playing for a long time at this site?heads up limit poker at best you have a small edge.[/b] Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Why anyone would challenge a world class player to high stakes? Daniel is one of the best players in the world and to try and beat someone who is the best at something is -EV. I dont challenge Tiger Woods to Golf. I go to to the inner city junior high, find the smallest kid, punch him in the faceand then asks if he wants to play golf for money. DC needs to find +EV situations like this to make money.Simple: To be the best you have to beat the best. DC is not nearly as bad as some on here think. I think DN's edge is small at best. I told my wife about these challenge matches as I was watching last night and she remarked how it would be funny if DC v DN was just DN v DN all just to promote his site. Very well could be the case! Can anyone who has been following for a while say whether they have seen DC playing for a long time at this site?heads up limit poker at best you have a small edge. Link to post Share on other sites
ronnieburger 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 why play the best players???No guts No gloryTell me you didnt want to play basketball against Michael Jordan or Larry Bird (depending on age)Even if they would have no mercy and would KILL you, you would play them for the experienceIn poker this is somewhat different because you have almost* no chance to beat MJ or Big Bird but if you play poker against one of the greats you could actually win not in the long run but that one sng or one HU match you have a chance*MJ breaks his leg and forfeits"With unlimited time and space everything will happen, even the impossible"-interstate 60 Link to post Share on other sites
BigDawgBuuck 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 It also opens up the question:Why would Daniel want to sit at table with:Doyle BrunsonChip ReeseBarry GreensteinPhil IveyTodd BrunsonI mean...Well, what happens if some rich fish sits down and plays with them so that he could say he did? They all tear him apart and take his money. Link to post Share on other sites
MrJones 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Rich fish play roulette and blackjack and baccarat, not high stakes mixed hold em. End of discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
MrJones 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Rich fish play roulette and blackjack and baccarat, not high stakes mixed poker. End of discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Exactly No Neck. That is why sansone wants to play negreanu at the highest online limit. He has been beating the highest online limits for 3 years now. And he hasn't won tournaments to build his roll, which is more a testament to his skill than daniel winning a few tournaments. DC sees no edge for daniel yet and will continue to play until he either busts him, or sees that daniel is better. Daniel is up 75 bets at this point. I have taken 75 bets off the best players in the world in a good card rush. It means sh1t. If daniel gets up 200 - 250 bets, it might be time to pull the plug. Keep in mind that the stakes are quartered for these guys. And they have all had $50k win days, so if they lose $250k, collectively it isn't going to break them. They are down right now $20k each. It wouldn't surprise me if all four have made $20k each this week at the tables, or for that matter lost $20k.Watching yesterdays session it was the first one over the last 4 that I think DC did actually outplay DN. I've watched DC in the past and he just has an interesting style. When he's running good you see why hes playing 500/1000 and winning as he looks like one of the best online. But when he's running bad his game really looks weak. I guess the upswings far outway the downswings though as it's pretty obvious hes making $ online. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDawgBuuck 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Rich fish play roulette and blackjack and baccarat, not high stakes mixed hold em. End of discussion.Haven't you heard about the book The Professor, the Banker, and the Suicide King, by Michael Craig? Link to post Share on other sites
MrJones 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Yeah, you got it. Basically DC, when he runs bad, he is going to run slightly worse than the average player, but when runs good, well... He is going to ****ing rape you up the azzhole. So DN, he better be careful because I don't think he has DN outmatched at all in fact, with any luck DC is going to absolutely destroy him.Take this from an objective person. Since sansone has taken $10k off me personally you would think I would root against him, not the case. He has been friendly at the tables and is a pleasure to play with. I was rooting for him, then I thought he was being arrogant so I thought, hell, it'd be nice if DN totally destacked him, then I realized DN was twice as arrogant as he is, acted like a complete 2 year old in the chat, had no manners whatsover, and plays completely immorally, and thinks 75k in 500/1000 online proves something. Give me a break. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDawgBuuck 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Okay, here is a quote from one of Daniel's blogs ," I can already see what types of responses this blog will get in the forum, “Why would those guys play against each other? Doesn’t the money just get circulated? Who is the sucker in that game?”Well there is no “sucker” in the traditional sense obviously, but not all great players are created equal. Some are better than others as is true with anything in life. So why do I play in those games? Well for one I’m confident that I can win, and two that’s part of who I am. If I don’t challenge myself at the highest levels I simply can’t be at my best. A sad truth, but a truth nonetheless." Link to post Share on other sites
MrJones 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 lol, that is the kind of attitude that will cause him to go bust.And yes, I have read that blog before.And no, I don't have faith in Daniels skills against the average 4k/8k player.And yes, I do have faith in Daniels tournament skills and his cash skills at levels lower than that. Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 If the front page of the forum listed the OP instead of last poster, I could be spared reading through redpill's threads........ Link to post Share on other sites
BigDawgBuuck 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Regardless of your faith, or lack thereof, it does not appear that he will go bust in this stage of his career... Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 It also opens up the question:Why would Daniel want to sit at table with:Doyle BrunsonChip ReeseBarry GreensteinPhil IveyTodd BrunsonI mean...For the same reason that I'd want to play Daniel: Their styles of play can be anticipated, within reason. Any of the players above playing a no-name player wouldn't be able to anticipate the no-name's game. Link to post Share on other sites
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