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I'm a hugh fan of poker and think that my game is far from being great but I would like some advice from other players. I was just wondering, regarding Tournament Poker in a casino not online, how to get to the final table during the middle phase? I play pretty tight early in the tournament and end up with a decent chip size and open up my game in the middle phase but I seem to make big mis-takes or bad plays and never seem to reach the promise land. I normally play 25 or 100 NL buy-in tournament at my local casino and the average field is about 300 players or so. My best finish was 12th and I never seem to get to the promise land. For instance, last week I had about 10k or so and was second in chip lead at my table with about 5 tables left. I had A-J off suit in the small blind and decided to call first postion's raise of $1400. I check in the dark and the flop comes AK8 rainbow. He moves all in for $6500 more and I was just sick when he did that. After a long while, I call and he shows a AQ and I was just hoping for a bad beat. The river miss and I was in deep trouble being the short stack at the table now. After a few more hands I busted out and thought how bad I played the Ace Jack. Would you have lay-down the Ace Jack?Now say I have a decent chip lead and the blinds are just eating my at chips. I haven't seen a decent hand for the last 10-15 hands or so, should I be really aggressive and raise to steal blinds and antes? If so should I only do this in position? Is there any advice regarding my game you would recommend? For instance, should I be more tight or aggressive in the middle phase? How do you stop yourself from making the big mistake to end your tournament?

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I am really horrible in tournaments. But I know that you need to be aggressive in the middle stages. And try like hell not to make any stupid mistakes. It's hard to be aggressive without going over the top for me. I either make the final table with alot of chips, or never even make it to the bubble.PS> im not a real poker player.EDIT: I didn't read all of your post. Even though you aren't getting good hands, you should still be attacking the blinds. As for the AJ, it would have been hard for me to lay it down. I paid off AK today with AJ...he made a miniraise preflop.

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Might have been a bad idea to check blind, I would have bet to find out where i was in the hand. If he comes back over i lay it down. If he made a significant preflop raise ive gotta have him on AA, KK, AK, QQ, AQ, maybe JJ. I would say most likely AK. Too many of those hands beat you at that point. You've gotta lay it down, it's almost never right to just call.

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now I'm just learning as well, but i think I can help you here. If anyone contradicts what i'm saying, maybe they're the ones you should listen to, but I HAVE had some success at Online MTT, and in the few live tourney's i've entered. In tournaments, there's something called "the gap concept" that says there's a gap between the hands you can raise with, and the hands you can call a raise with. Example, you may raise with hands as poor as 7-7, or A-10, but you shouldn't call a raise with hands as good as 10-10, or A-K. Especially an early position raise. The reason for this is that a chip won is worth less than a chip lost. Theoretically, you can finish second in a tournament without ever going over your original chip stack, correct? But you can't win if you bust out. Secondly, when the flop came AK8, you have to consider what the guy could have raised with from early position...hands like AA, KK, AK, AQ, or even 88. In the case of either AA, or AK, you would be drawing to runner runner jacks, or Q10, against AQ, you would need to hit a jack, against KK or 88 you would have to hit one of two aces. Your biggest mistake was calling his all in bet at the flop. But how can you lay down top pair with an okay kicker? That's why it's recommended to lay down AJ (especially off suit) to a early position raise. Against even a small pocket pair, you're a slight underdog preflop (AJ off vs. 22 is 47.5-52.5 in favor of the 2's)Don't know if this helps, but I imagine you find yourself in situations like this all the time, I know I used to have trouble with situations like this. Think about how many times you've seen someone knocked out of a tournament with hands like yours.EDIT: I should say I've had some RECENT success in MTT, small buy in stuff. Two wins , 4 other "in the money's"

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EDIT: I didn't read all of your post. Even though you aren't getting good hands' date=' you should still be attacking the blinds. Only in position right? You wouldn't do it out of position?[/quote']
That's true... but I find most of the time I end up stealing the blinds from EP. Say I get A10s UTG and raise it... That's the kind of hand I seem to steal with usually.... not that I'm neccisarily trying to steal.
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EDIT: I didn't read all of your post. Even though you aren't getting good hands, you should still be attacking the blinds. Only in position right? You wouldn't do it out of position?
:twisted: It matters how many chips I have. :twisted: If I have a good amount of chips, and the blind structure alows alot of play. I will raise from UTG. It picks up the blinds alot of times. I don't raise garbage, but if I pick up a small PP or 76s...or K7s...or A4s...I might raise.But for the most part, you aren't going to get a good structure and a chip lead, so I start my blind theft around mp3...mp2 at most.I also try to pick up as many small pots as possible...like doyle, anytime it's checked to me-I bet, and fold to a raise.Im really a horrible tournaments player. I played at PSO for about 5 months, was in the top 20 of my league and made player of the week...that about sums it up :D . My first live tournament I played I got second, havn't placed since then... I really don't know enough about it.
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EDIT: I didn't read all of your post. Even though you aren't getting good hands' date=' you should still be attacking the blinds.  Only in position right? You wouldn't do it out of position?[/quote']
That's true... but I find most of the time I end up stealing the blinds from EP. Say I get A10s UTG and raise it... That's the kind of hand I seem to steal with usually.... not that I'm neccisarily trying to steal.
This is because of the "gap concept" More credit is given to an early position raise.
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Suited hit the nail on the head, and you can't attack the blinds if you are part of the blinds.  I'm not sure if i even see a flop with AJ in that situation.
If im small blind I raise the BB everytime. If im the BB I raise the SB everytime....what do you mean?
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Joey also makes a very good point, the aggressor takes down the pot a great deal of the time. I like the early position raise with something as bad as AT, I won a tourney this morning by stealing blinds after the first break until the final table, I was only playing when it was folded to me. I only played when I was gonna be the first one in the pot. Heck, I didnt even need to see my cards when it was folded to the button. If I wasn't first in, i fold anything up to AQ. It would be difficult for me to lay AK down as joey suggests, but if my read was good I could do it. More likely i would push it all in and see what happens, depending of course on chip position and such.

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wrto I was speaking about the situation from the original post, when your value is decreased bc your chips are already in and you can't make more profit off of it. I'm saying that you have to cut your losses.

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I'm getting really good feedbacks. How about limiting your mistakes at the tournament table? How do you know when to let a hand down or when to gamble? I think everyone would agree that you can gamble with a short stack player if he moves all in, what about a loose player or passive aggressive players? Do you have to figure the pot odds and do the math when it comes to these type of players?

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I'm getting really good feedbacks. How about limiting your mistakes at the tournament table? How do you know when to let a hand down or when to gamble?  I think everyone would agree that you can gamble with a short stack player if he moves all in, what about a loose player or passive aggressive players? Do you have to figure the pot odds and do the math when it comes to these type of players?
For me it mainly comes down to how big my stack is, and will it jepoardize my tournament. If the hand is pretty good and it won't hurt me too much then I'll gamble. But even if it's a good hand, and the player could put me out or really hurt me, I'll usually let it go. EX: I'm on the button with AQs late in a tournament. MP Moves All-In for 10k, I have 12k... I fold it. Not unless I'm short stacked... I can get it somewhere else later on.
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GOOD POINT!Regarding your post Suited_UP, the old me would normally call with AQ if a guys goes all in for 10k and I have 12k. I would always gamble, that's my biggest mis-take. I put to much value in those kind of hands and just need to lay-it down. I need to pick a better position or a better hand to do so to risk my chips like that. Plus I need to stop calling all these all in calls and play more post-flop poker. I starting to hate all in poker pre-flop. There's no skill in that, your just leaving your faith in the POKER GODS. So I'm feeling you about the last post!

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I check in the dark and the flop comes AK8
Dont do it.... Its not worth it, at your skill level (and mine, im not saying im above you) You should know where you are in the hand before you make a move
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I check in the dark and the flop comes AK8
Dont do it.... Its not worth it, at your skill level (and mine, im not saying im above you) You should know where you are in the hand before you make a move
Don't listen to anything this guy has to say! He's the bad beat KING! :D
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GOOD POINT! Regarding your post Suited_UP, the old me would normally call with AQ if a guys goes all in for 10k and I have 12k. I would always gamble, that's my biggest mis-take. I put to much value in those kind of hands and just need to lay-it down. I need to pick a better position or a better hand to do so to risk my chips like that. Plus I need to stop calling all these all in calls and play more post-flop poker. I am starting to hate all in poker pre-flop. There's no skill in that, you're just leaving your faith in the hands of the POKER GODS. So I'm feeling you about the last post!

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