Bubba83 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG with K:club:, K:heart:. Hero posts a blind of $1. 1 fold, MP1 calls, SB calls.Flop: (6 SB) 5:spade:, 9:club:, J:spade: (4 players)SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, Hero calls.Turn: (9 BB) 7:heart: (4 players)SB checks, Hero betsI don't understand this, the converter messed it up. I was actually big blind this hand. What should we do on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Call. You have a boatload of outs to outdraw 2 pair, and the pot is getting big. You almost have enough outs to outdraw a set.You can fold the river UI with a good read on SB. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Call. You have a boatload of outs to outdraw 2 pair, and the pot is getting big. You almost have enough outs to outdraw a set.can u explain the part about havin enough outs to outdraw a set? if ur up against a set then u are down to 2 outs...the pot is giving 12-1 which isnt close against a set....am i missing something? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Call. You have a boatload of outs to outdraw 2 pair, and the pot is getting big. You almost have enough outs to outdraw a set.can u explain the part about havin enough outs to outdraw a set? if ur up against a set then u are down to 2 outs...the pot is giving 12-1 which isnt close against a set....am i missing something?Assuming MP1 will call, we are getting 14:1. It is unlikely either of our opponents are drawing to a flush given how the hand played out. I would think we make 2.5BB on the river on average, so we need about 19:1 to call. So yeah, the word almost is a bit misleading. I was just trying to show that we clearly have a call here due to the size of the pot and our opponents range. Link to post Share on other sites
oceansize 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I think more likely your against str8 draws or two pairs. I'm with check calling to the river, if the heat doesn't let up (multiple opponents raising) you can fold and look for later hands. I hate having big cards in the blinds in a limit game. NL is great you can usually walk away with a well placed bet preflop with a lot of limp in change...but in Limit, any and every hand will be in and you are stuck acting early with a pair that beats the board...how strong is that with several players still wanting to play at it though?I'm cooling my smoking guns and thinking that I'm against two pair at the turn. If that's the case, and you don't make two pair or a set on the river, and your still dealing with bet and raise-aholics I might walk if the pot isn't right. That means fold if it is not greater than 3 way action (yourself included). In this case, just from description though...I'm calling it down because I'm smelling someone overplaying AJ, KJ.I don't know that's one thing about making someone for a hand. You want to make them for a hand and then you don't want to change what you think they are holding in mid play...you gotta keep that mentality. Long run it makes you better at reading players holdings.Los Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I don't know that's one thing about making someone for a hand. You want to make them for a hand and then you don't want to change what you think they are holding in mid play...you gotta keep that mentality. Long run it makes you better at reading players holdings.Losdon't you want to narrow down the range as new info comes in? Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 makes more sense screech...i failed to notice it was a 3 way pot. How often do you think sb shows down 108? its relaly the only hand i can put him on which means we are dead... Link to post Share on other sites
oceansize 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 well yeah actuary, you do, but you don't want to go from thinking they flopped a set to thinking they only flopped top pair, to thinking they are on the flush draw on the turn to thinking....know what i mean? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 well yeah actuary, you do, but you don't want to go from thinking they flopped a set to thinking they only flopped top pair, to thinking they are on the flush draw on the turn to thinking....know what i mean?exactly.I like to keep it wide early, with some rounded weights 60% TP, 20% FD, 10% other pair... 10% misc.... and narrow down as action/board progessesBut, yes, switching around with a narrow read is bad. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 makes more sense screech...i failed to notice it was a 3 way pot. How often do you think sb shows down 108? its relaly the only hand i can put him on which means we are dead...Yeah, T8 is likely.But so is J9, J7, 97, 57, 77, 55 and 99. The times we are drawing against 2 pair makes this an easy call since the 2 pair hands contain the most combos even when you discount them. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 I think call would be best. Folding river would also be good unless MP folded the turn. If he folds the turn I think calling UI might be okay, otherwise we could be looking at a raise from MP which would put us in a really bad spot on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Edit: ignore my last post, i misread the hand so badly...i thought you lead the flop, got two callers. lead the turn, got raised. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Edit: ignore my last post, i misread the hand so badly...i thought you lead the flop, got two callers. lead the turn, got raised. Pretty far off, eh?I call and fold river UI (UI being no trips and no pair hits on board, hopefully negating someone else's two pair). Link to post Share on other sites
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