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Ok this is a hand from a tourney i was playing on pstars. im very thankful for this play but i don't understand it for a second.PokerStars Game #3386814355: Tournament #16786677, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/12/20 - 14:31:03 (ET)Table '16786677 10' Seat #6 is the buttonSeat 1: FloppedFlush (995 in chips) Seat 2: tolson14 (1920 in chips) Seat 3: roy1roy (2510 in chips) is sitting outSeat 4: nritchi3 (2800 in chips) Seat 5: wallymystar (4610 in chips) Seat 6: RickErco2004 (950 in chips) Seat 7: CVS-38 (1475 in chips) Seat 8: Norden74 (2850 in chips) Seat 9: rinaker (1275 in chips) CVS-38: posts small blind 25Norden74: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to nritchi3 [Qd Kc]rinaker: folds FloppedFlush: folds tolson14: folds roy1roy: folds nritchi3: raises 100 to 150wallymystar: calls 150RickErco2004: folds CVS-38: folds Norden74: folds *** FLOP *** [4c 3c 6c]nritchi3: bets 300wallymystar: calls 300*** TURN *** [4c 3c 6c] [3h]nritchi3: checks wallymystar: checks *** RIVER *** [4c 3c 6c 3h] [Qc]nritchi3: checks wallymystar: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***nritchi3: shows [Qd Kc] (a flush, King high)wallymystar: shows [Ac Td] (a flush, Ace high)wallymystar collected 975 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 975 | Rake 0 Board [4c 3c 6c 3h Qc]Seat 1: FloppedFlush folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: tolson14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: roy1roy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: nritchi3 showed [Qd Kc] and lost with a flush, King highSeat 5: wallymystar showed [Ac Td] and won (975) with a flush, Ace highSeat 6: RickErco2004 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: CVS-38 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: Norden74 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 9: rinaker folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Basically you raised, he called, flop came flow, he put you on overcards (correctly at that), you gave him a free card on the turn, and he caught.
I think the question would be why didn't he bet with the nut flush?It was pretty obvious that nobody had a full house. Why give away money by checking?
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Basically you raised, he called, flop came flow, he put you on overcards (correctly at that), you gave him a free card on the turn, and he caught.
I think the question would be why didn't he bet with the nut flush?It was pretty obvious that nobody had a full house. Why give away money by checking?
ohhhh...yeah, that's easy - idiocy
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Basically you raised, he called, flop came flow, he put you on overcards (correctly at that), you gave him a free card on the turn, and he caught.
I think the question would be why didn't he bet with the nut flush?It was pretty obvious that nobody had a full house. Why give away money by checking?
It's a variation on 'Conditioning'. He was setting him up for later...
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Basically you raised, he called, flop came flow, he put you on overcards (correctly at that), you gave him a free card on the turn, and he caught.
I think the question would be why didn't he bet with the nut flush?It was pretty obvious that nobody had a full house. Why give away money by checking?
This is pretty much it.. in big bet/deep stack/Pot Limit tournies, some experts advocate not betting here, in limited circumstances, as its assumed that only a complete imbocile will call with a K or J of clubs, and they dont want to open themselves up to a raise that might be for their stack. Obviously this isn't applicable to tiny $20 buyin tournies like this one, but maybe the hero mis-applied that line of thinking to this situation. As a guess as to what he was thinking, I guess that is as good a guess as any.
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wow...someone played a hand in a way you deem "incorrect!?!?" Wow, that sure was postworthy.Check the sig, newb.
Looking forward to seeing it, but you may be stretching it a little thin. Every post with you is "check the sig"
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wow...someone played a hand in a way you deem "incorrect!?!?" Wow, that sure was postworthy.Check the sig, newb.
Looking forward to seeing it, but you may be stretching it a little thin. Every post with you is "check the sig"
A. It's that good.B. I am only doing it on threads that seem a bit useless...C. I want it to be stickied....gotta get it out there.
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O.K. someone help me with my game on this one. Without a doubt I am value betting the River with the Kc in this h/u situation. Obviously that did not happen here and it worked out in the op favor, but do you really think that is the best play?When the villian also checks the turn, that is a pretty weak play, especially with the Ac. Lord knows if I had a redraw to the Ac (nut flush) and position I would bet this if it was checked to me and try to take the pot down there. I don't think anyone can really explain not value betting the nut flush on the river. The hand started H/U and it would be quite hard to put the other person on a full house here, and if they have it, I say great, pay them off and move on to the next tournament.The play on both sides just seems much too weak to me.

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wow...someone played a hand in a way you deem "incorrect!?!?" Wow, that sure was postworthy.Check the sig, newb.
Looking forward to seeing it, but you may be stretching it a little thin. Every post with you is "check the sig"
A. It's that good.B. I am only doing it on threads that seem a bit useless...C. I want it to be stickied....gotta get it out there.
Ohh, that's why it seems like its in every thread. Fair enough. You know I can respect a good case.
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I think the play is too weak on both parts. The only way I can explain not betting the nut flush is that he didn't know he had it. The only hand that the OP should have that beats him is wired 3s, but it seems -EV to pass on the nut flush value bet because of the remote chance of quads.An interesting follow-up, if OP bets 500 at the river and wally raises him all-in can OP lay-down the K-high flush?

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Basically you raised, he called, flop came low, he put you on overcards (correctly at that), you gave him a free card on the turn, and he caught.
glad u explained it cos i couldnt be asked readin that long transcript. cheers
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Basically you raised, he called, flop came low, he put you on overcards (correctly at that), you gave him a free card on the turn, and he caught.
glad u explained it cos i couldnt be asked readin that long transcript. cheers
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I think the play is too weak on both parts. The only way I can explain not betting the nut flush is that he didn't know he had it. The only hand that the OP should have that beats him is wired 3s, but it seems -EV to pass on the nut flush value bet because of the remote chance of quads.An interesting follow-up, if OP bets 500 at the river and wally raises him all-in can OP lay-down the K-high flush?
what about 66 or 44...I think It is alot harder to put him on quads than it is with a FH...and yes I think that laying down the K of clubs in that situation would be easy...it's the 6th nuts on the river...not really a good place to get stuck for all your chips.
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I don't know how you can't make a play for that pot with K high flush.I put out a 1/3 to 1/2 pot bet there. If he raises, I fold. Given his check on the turn tho, there is reason to believe he might fold in that spot. I also don't understand why you don't take a shot at the turn. IMO most people fall short with bluffs and semi bluffs because they tighten up rather than fire away. I think Wally folds the turn to a decent bet.

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