srblan 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 I don't know that the 4k/8k game is ever full table, but I digress. And yes, I think that sucess in high limit, short handed LHE against the best players in the world is somewhat relevant. I don't think Daniel would beat the hell out of Dream Clown. I do think that after Daniel got the feel for playing online and against Dream Clown, he would show a profit. Thus, 10k-50k hands.Read critically Scotty, I know you're not dumb. You're intelligent enough to know that these things have relevance.Full table for 4k/8k is (I think) 6 handed, since games like triple-draw can be dealt to a maximum of 6 players due to the number of cards needed. Most pros will agree, though, that it takes a very different set of skills to beat a short-handed game as a heads-up game in LHE, so it is not quite as relevant as you think. Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 being a jerk????? unreal...this is money , not a popularity contest...this guy tilted dn ,pretty big compliment ..."he should respect dn"....why??????in this guys mind dn is just another internet donk coming for his roll...im a dn fan just like most of this forum, but let's not blindly kiss ass guys...this guys doesnt HAVE to respect dn ..asking him to do so is insane...I agree with you that he should not have to automatically respect DN, however, I don't agree with you that because this is money it shouldn't matter that the winner is being a jerk. One of the best skills for a player to learn once they learn how to win is to keep the fish happy and coming back. When I'm winning, in live play, mostly, I will be joking around and trying to see that everyone is having a good time so that they don't look down and notice that they are stuck. If you are a jerk, you might get them a little on tilt that day, but do it often enough, and they'll stop giving you action because nobody wants to lose to a jerk or to feel like they are playing at a table being dominated by a jerk.When I pick a game, I do it based on a number of factors, one of the most important of which is "are people laughing at the table." If they are, it means that they might not be taking things as seriously as I will. That is a very good thing for the bankroll. If you start being a jerk when you are winning, you'll very likely change the atmosphere of the game, and you could get people focusing on playing well, which is the last thing that you want to do. Link to post Share on other sites
eugeneelGCC 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 phil hellmuth needs to play heads up onlineHe does and I play him as much as I can on UB. He usually doesent' go highher than 100-200 though. Link to post Share on other sites
Fullhouse7 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Alot of posts on this match and upcoming match(es). Just a thought---this is excellent publicity for the site---a total win/win situation for DN. Either an incredibly savvy marketing move or dumb <sw> luck for FCP. Another thought, variance is a beatch and 30 mins of play proves nothing. Done thinking.Fullhouse7 Link to post Share on other sites
eugeneelGCC 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Id love to see what "dreamclown" would do if DN challenged him to a heads up for $500,000he would say I dont have the bankroll to play that high but I will play for 100k or 200k live when I have the time to travel to wherever the match is going to be. I am sure DN won't be a favorite in a live HU holdem game either and any of us would play. I am going to the Aussie millions soon, is DN gonna be there?as far as who the better player overall is (ability-wise), it's hard to tell sice we've all only played for 3 years and started slowly and from scratch at 1.00-2.00. We also play only a couple of hours a day on average so lack the experience big time. Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Id love to see what "dreamclown" would do if DN challenged him to a heads up for $500,000he would say I dont have the bankroll to play that high but I will play for 100k or 200k live when I have the time to travel to wherever the match is going to be. I am sure DN won't be a favorite in a live HU holdem game either and any of us would play. I am going to the Aussie millions soon, is DN gonna be there?as far as who the better player overall is (ability-wise), it's hard to tell sice we've all only played for 3 years and started slowly and from scratch at 1.00-2.00. We also play only a couple of hours a day on average so lack the experience big time.first thing you said that i havent agreed with.... Link to post Share on other sites
7upncider 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 dream whatever is a highly touted player with some mad online skills from what i have been reading but facts are facts he is a spoiled brat that never got his azz whipped when he was a kid and now he dont respect anyone!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Author Share Posted December 18, 2005 being a jerk????? unreal...this is money , not a popularity contest...this guy tilted dn ,pretty big compliment ..."he should respect dn"....why??????in this guys mind dn is just another internet donk coming for his roll...im a dn fan just like most of this forum, but let's not blindly kiss ass guys...this guys doesnt HAVE to respect dn ..asking him to do so is insane...I'm not saying he should blindly kiss his ass, I'm just saying that any player who is trash talking another player, regardless of who he is, is showing no class. He's just someone hiding behind his computer saying all this stuff that he would probably not have the balls or tenacity to say in person. DN is right, I think poker etiquette has gone downhill since the advent of inline poker. People know there are no repercussions to abusing someone verbally on line. In a casino, it would be a different matter entirely. Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 being a jerk????? unreal...this is money , not a popularity contest...this guy tilted dn ,pretty big compliment ..."he should respect dn"....why??????in this guys mind dn is just another internet donk coming for his roll...im a dn fan just like most of this forum, but let's not blindly kiss ass guys...this guys doesnt HAVE to respect dn ..asking him to do so is insane...I'm not saying he should blindly kiss his ass, I'm just saying that any player who is trash talking another player, regardless of who he is, is showing no class. He's just someone hiding behind his computer saying all this stuff that he would probably not have the balls or tenacity to say in person. DN is right, I think poker etiquette has gone downhill since the advent of inline poker. People know there are no repercussions to abusing someone verbally on line. In a casino, it would be a different matter entirely.i dont talk trash when i play online or live, thats not just me...however ppl do it onle for lots of reasons, like maybe tilting ppl into making blog entrys about you ..im not saying this is what dreamclown intended, but as you can see it has been to his benefit..it has you and i talking about him...tilting some ppl can be a decisive advantage for you, and in some cases this can be the difference in winning and losing thousands...if this were just some random guy would you be defending him so hard? i doubt it, as a matter of fact we woudlnt even hear about it, the fact that its dn is the reason you even care about this...i dont think dn needs anybody to stick up for him.. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Author Share Posted December 18, 2005 being a jerk????? unreal...this is money , not a popularity contest...this guy tilted dn ,pretty big compliment ..."he should respect dn"....why??????in this guys mind dn is just another internet donk coming for his roll...im a dn fan just like most of this forum, but let's not blindly kiss ass guys...this guys doesnt HAVE to respect dn ..asking him to do so is insane...I'm not saying he should blindly kiss his ass, I'm just saying that any player who is trash talking another player, regardless of who he is, is showing no class. He's just someone hiding behind his computer saying all this stuff that he would probably not have the balls or tenacity to say in person. DN is right, I think poker etiquette has gone downhill since the advent of inline poker. People know there are no repercussions to abusing someone verbally on line. In a casino, it would be a different matter entirely.Well, I agree it may put some people on tilt, I doubt it would put DN on tilt though. It's probably a strategy that works but it's underhanded. I wouldn't do it. Yah, I know dn doesn't need anyone defending him, it's his site and it was just an opinion of mine.i dont talk trash when i play online or live, thats not just me...however ppl do it onle for lots of reasons, like maybe tilting ppl into making blog entrys about you ..im not saying this is what dreamclown intended, but as you can see it has been to his benefit..it has you and i talking about him...tilting some ppl can be a decisive advantage for you, and in some cases this can be the difference in winning and losing thousands...if this were just some random guy would you be defending him so hard? i doubt it, as a matter of fact we woudlnt even hear about it, the fact that its dn is the reason you even care about this...i dont think dn needs anybody to stick up for him.. Link to post Share on other sites
iveyfan30 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 being a jerk????? unreal...this is money , not a popularity contest...this guy tilted dn ,pretty big compliment ..."he should respect dn"....why??????in this guys mind dn is just another internet donk coming for his roll...im a dn fan just like most of this forum, but let's not blindly kiss ass guys...this guys doesnt HAVE to respect dn ..asking him to do so is insane...I'm not saying he should blindly kiss his ass, I'm just saying that any player who is trash talking another player, regardless of who he is, is showing no class. He's just someone hiding behind his computer saying all this stuff that he would probably not have the balls or tenacity to say in person. DN is right, I think poker etiquette has gone downhill since the advent of inline poker. People know there are no repercussions to abusing someone verbally on line. In a casino, it would be a different matter entirely.Well, I agree it may put some people on tilt, I doubt it would put DN on tilt though. It's probably a strategy that works but it's underhanded. I wouldn't do it. Yah, I know dn doesn't need anyone defending him, it's his site and it was just an opinion of mine.have you read dn's last blog..=tilt imhoi dont talk trash when i play online or live, thats not just me...however ppl do it onle for lots of reasons, like maybe tilting ppl into making blog entrys about you ..im not saying this is what dreamclown intended, but as you can see it has been to his benefit..it has you and i talking about him...tilting some ppl can be a decisive advantage for you, and in some cases this can be the difference in winning and losing thousands...if this were just some random guy would you be defending him so hard? i doubt it, as a matter of fact we woudlnt even hear about it, the fact that its dn is the reason you even care about this...i dont think dn needs anybody to stick up for him.. Link to post Share on other sites
ArseneLupin3 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Moreover, how the hell can one judge a players play with such limited hands. The real problem I think for DN was that he brought such a limited buy in to a game that required more cash. I would like to see both with 50,000 in a 50, 100 limit hu and go for 12 hours then I will judge.500 bets? are you insane? it could take a week before a winner was declared. Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted December 19, 2005 Author Share Posted December 19, 2005 being a jerk????? unreal...this is money , not a popularity contest...this guy tilted dn ,pretty big compliment ..."he should respect dn"....why??????in this guys mind dn is just another internet donk coming for his roll...im a dn fan just like most of this forum, but let's not blindly kiss ass guys...this guys doesnt HAVE to respect dn ..asking him to do so is insane...I agree with you that he should not have to automatically respect DN, however, I don't agree with you that because this is money it shouldn't matter that the winner is being a jerk. One of the best skills for a player to learn once they learn how to win is to keep the fish happy and coming back. When I'm winning, in live play, mostly, I will be joking around and trying to see that everyone is having a good time so that they don't look down and notice that they are stuck. If you are a jerk, you might get them a little on tilt that day, but do it often enough, and they'll stop giving you action because nobody wants to lose to a jerk or to feel like they are playing at a table being dominated by a jerk.When I pick a game, I do it based on a number of factors, one of the most important of which is "are people laughing at the table." If they are, it means that they might not be taking things as seriously as I will. That is a very good thing for the bankroll. If you start being a jerk when you are winning, you'll very likely change the atmosphere of the game, and you could get people focusing on playing well, which is the last thing that you want to do.I concur. I couldn't have said it any better. Link to post Share on other sites
scottyno 0 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 you can tell from this post that iveyfan has been hanging out more over at nwp recently than in a place full of tons of fcp daniel negreanu fanboy noobs Link to post Share on other sites
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