fcp online hold em

[Jeepster80125 0]

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/a...5087&m_id=65576Do you see now? And I wish that FCP had an auto-spell-check. Meh.

[Keeper 0]

c'mon man, statistically, the hands are different EVERYTIME, don't you get it :shock: (sw)Burn cards are rigged.

[Napa_Don 688]

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[Irridial 0]

But back to the point. Each card is about 1.9231 percent. Meaning at the flop there is a 1.0231 differance. On the turn a 3.8462 differance, On the river a 5.7692 differance. X out of 39 is differant than X out of 40X out of 36 is differant than X out of 37X out of 34 is differant than X out of 36X out of 32 is differant than X out of 35Run a hundred hands yourself and tell me that the same person that would win in brick and mortar would win online without the burn cards? Tell me the hands would play the same? You cannot tell me those things and be honest. There are fundamental differances. If you are playing online to learn then don't you want to learn in the closest environment that you can to the real thing? Or would you rather adapt a feel for a differant game?

You need a lesson in conditional probability.You obviously think that with a burn card, the chance to get your chosen card X is 1 of 39, without a burn card, 1 of 40. (I take it you are assuming 40 cards left before the burn)With a burn card, your card X is only in the deck 39/40 times. The other 1/40, it is burned. So the probability of your card X coming up with a burn in place is (39/40) * (1/39) = 1/40 which is the same 1/40 without the burn.The burn card only matters in the sense that cards are dealt 1 at a time from the top of the deck instead of the dealer randomly picking cards out of the middle of the deck to deal. Your cards are still random, just different.

[idiotpimp 0]

OMG Online Poker is rigged. I mean in B&M casinos they play 9 handed and online they play 10 handed surely the two cards dealt to that 10th person change the outcome of each and every hand.(SW)But on a serious note to the OP (and I know this explanation is probably useless) it doesn't matter if a card is burnt or not. As long as nobody has seen it a dealer could pick a card from the middle of the deck and it would still be as random as the hand with or without the burn card. Basically if you haven't seen the card it has a 1 in 50 chance of being any card not in your hand.

[yeffy 0]

Dude I can't play at my local casino anymore. The standard shuffle there used to be riffle riffle box riffle cut. Now it's riffle box riffle riffle cut. Think about it. If you riffle then box it completely changes the outcome of the hands. I am dealt totally different cards then I used to get dealt. Since they made this change I played 20 hands and didn't get aces once. But last week when they were shuffling the other way I played 20 hands and got aces twice. That just proves it. The box shuffle after the first riffle changes the coangular distribution of the cards by 3%. That means after the second two riffles each card is effected by an increasing variable equal to Y where Y is the angular coefficient directly related to the dealers hat size. If you multiply the coangular distributed position of the card I would have received by Y then I need to move 5 seats to my left after each hand in order to receive the card I should have received in the first place. But then my second card is placed in the 4th seat to the right of the original seat I was dealt in so I need to move there to get the next card. This is the only possible way to maintain the integrity of the game otherwise poker will be ruined forever. Since the floormen wont let me run around the table in circles grabbing those exact cards I can no longer play live poker.

[Suited_Up 2]

Blaze... you tried way too hard.Because nothing he said makes any sense whatsoever in any world that I know of. So really, it probably didn't require that much effort to disprove what he said. Because his post was so irrelevant, that it almost made your responses not make sense either, lol. Know what I mean? It's like you're arguing with a retarded kid. It's just nonsensical.

[RayPowers 0]

I do not think that word means what you think it means.Ray

[Beerfly 0]

The thing is, live poker is live poker. If one wants to simulate the live poker environment accurately then one should simulate all that is possible. If the burn card is not important then why not play seven stud with the first two cards up, the middle 3 down, and the last two up? fundamentally each player gets 3 cards down and four up. It is the same game. Isnt it?But back to the point. Each card is about 1.9231 percent. Meaning at the flop there is a 1.0231 differance. On the turn a 3.8462 differance, On the river a 5.7692 differance. X out of 39 is differant than X out of 40X out of 36 is differant than X out of 37X out of 34 is differant than X out of 36X out of 32 is differant than X out of 35Run a hundred hands yourself and tell me that the same person that would win in brick and mortar would win online without the burn cards? Tell me the hands would play the same? You cannot tell me those things and be honest. There are fundamental differances. If you are playing online to learn then don't you want to learn in the closest environment that you can to the real thing? Or would you rather adapt a feel for a differant game?Do you know about the House Edge and the fact that is what casinos running? Wether it be a 2%, .2%, or .02% percent edge per trial, the more trials the further off you are the further you go away from origin. Look at slot advertisements that say 98% payback. Simply put that is 49% for you with the house having 1% edge on trial one. Then take .5% off from 49% for trial 2 leaving a 48.5 edge for you. Roll that down and eventually you hit 0%. Sure one will win some here and there but most likely, according to reality, one will gamble those winnings away unless it is a large sum. BUT given the intrinsic nature of irregular rewards that person will be hooked on gambling chasing that big score and in the end give back more money than they won. But enough of psychology. Seriously, try it out for yourself. See for yourself how the hands play out differantly. Did any of you try out the experiment for yourself before you snapped off a response? Or did you read an article somewhere about statistically there is no differance? Try the experiment and see for yourself how the hands play out differantly. It is like mucking out of turn. It can effect how someone ahead of you calls, bets, raises, or mucks. There are fundamentals to the game that make it what it is. It is like why not talk about what you folded? Those cards are out of play what effect would they have on how others played?I do know why you don't do those things. They give an advantage to those still in the hand because it affects the way the hand is played out. Am I the only one that considers pot odds versus odds of improving or odds against my opponent(s) improving off of hands that I put them on?If I am not then you would apprecaite how much of a differance 2%,4% or 6% has on those calculations. Those that can shape a deck to whatever they desire are not foiled by a burn card or three burn cards. The truly skilled can make a deck produce whatever card they want when they want and to who they want.One is going to be in on several hey hands and a small percentage here or there is important. Ya, position play is not important either, what does it matter where you have what. Everything should be played the same in every position.

I read the first 3 lines of this and decided to throw acid into my eyes. My eyes thanked me......

[Guest Zach6668]

Dude I can't play at my local casino anymore. The standard shuffle there used to be riffle riffle box riffle cut. Now it's riffle box riffle riffle cut. Think about it. If you riffle then box it completely changes the outcome of the hands. I am dealt totally different cards then I used to get dealt. Since they made this change I played 20 hands and didn't get aces once. But last week when they were shuffling the other way I played 20 hands and got aces twice. That just proves it. The box shuffle after the first riffle changes the coangular distribution of the cards by 3%. That means after the second two riffles each card is effected by an increasing variable equal to Y where Y is the angular coefficient directly related to the dealers hat size. If you multiply the coangular distributed position of the card I would have received by Y then I need to move 5 seats to my left after each hand in order to receive the card I should have received in the first place. But then my second card is placed in the 4th seat to the right of the original seat I was dealt in so I need to move there to get the next card. This is the only possible way to maintain the integrity of the game otherwise poker will be ruined forever. Since the floormen wont let me run around the table in circles grabbing those exact cards I can no longer play live poker.

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[allinbluff35 0]

I played 20 hands and didn't get aces once. But last week when they were shuffling the other way I played 20 hands and got aces twice. That just proves it.

are you fucking retarded? not dumb retarded but helmet club style.

[yeffy 0]

I played 20 hands and didn't get aces once. But last week when they were shuffling the other way I played 20 hands and got aces twice. That just proves it.

are you fucking retarded? not dumb retarded but helmet club style.

Did my post really need an (sw) ???

[crazykid13 0]

Ya know why? They don't even offer a player to cut the deckThat screws up player percentages horribleWatch...I have math to explainOne donkey+one donkey=2 donkeysSince the IQ of a jar of mayonaise is higher than the OP's...I think the answer is false...

[jooka 0]

Ladies and gentleman, our new JFarrel!!!! :clap: :dance: :clap: Ray

[sloshr 0]

WOW. Not even JFarrell was this enlightening. I read the post but could not believe someone was even saying this, and then he even defended himself in another post, seemingly dead serious. I am at a loss for words.A true classic.

[stealfromblind 0]

burning a card makes no statistical difference. the reason it is done is to prevent card markers from having the advantage of knowing what card will be turned next.

bullshit. meh. a good mechanic can stack into the deal and doesn't need to peel off the bottom. therefore the burn cards are useless.

[yeffy 0]

burning a card makes no statistical difference. the reason it is done is to prevent card markers from having the advantage of knowing what card will be turned next.

bullshit. meh. a good mechanic can stack into the deal and doesn't need to peel off the bottom. therefore the burn cards are useless.

Read the whole thread. It's already been explained that burning has nothing to do with mechanics. Itwas started to prevent card markers from being able to study the top card on the deck.

[justblaze 0]

Blaze... you tried way too hard.Because nothing he said makes any sense whatsoever in any world that I know of. So really, it probably didn't require that much effort to disprove what he said. Because his post was so irrelevant, that it almost made your responses not make sense either, lol. Know what I mean? It's like you're arguing with a retarded kid. It's just nonsensical.

im on emotional tilt from showing up today for my exam tommorow (and cramming all nite of course).

[Petoria 0]

WOW. Not even JFarrell was this enlightening. I read the post but could not believe someone was even saying this, and then he even defended himself in another post, seemingly dead serious. I am at a loss for words.A true classic.

You know you have a JFarrell nominee on hand when he defends his obviously erroneous claim.

[Tsosumi 0]

oh when someone says i don't understand statistics and they are erroneous then the facts must come out.quick and dirty statistics are easier but in the world of minutia that is statistics there is a differance from rounding to the fifth or sixth or seventh decimal. probabilities are only about 20% of poker, statistically speaking.don't even get me started about average possibilities in a seven handed game with two players left post flop and calculating odds of making a flush with four parts before the turn absent a read what the pot odds must be to warrant a smooth call.but i forgot you are always right and no else knows what they are talking about, especially when you cannot present any substantial proff that your hypothesis is correct and mine is wrong. just saying i am wrong and calling me stupid suffice to debase any arguement i am making regardless of mathmatics supporting my position.i beieve there is a phrase for you that begins with highly funtional and ends with dee dee dee.

[Suited_Up 2]

oh when someone says i don't understand statistics and they are erroneous then the facts must come out.quick and dirty statistics are easier but in the world of minutia that is statistics there is a differance from rounding to the fifth or sixth or seventh decimal. probabilities are only about 20% of poker, statistically speaking.don't even get me started about average possibilities in a seven handed game with two players left post flop and calculating odds of making a flush with four parts before the turn absent a read what the pot odds must be to warrant a smooth call.but i forgot you are always right and no else knows what they are talking about, especially when you cannot present any substantial proff that your hypothesis is correct and mine is wrong. just saying i am wrong and calling me stupid suffice to debase any arguement i am making regardless of mathmatics supporting my position.i beieve there is a phrase for you that begins with highly funtional and ends with dee dee dee.

It's funny when you try really hard to sound smart, but you just sound like you don't have a full grasp of the language.

[InertGrudge 0]

oh when someone says i don't understand statistics and they are erroneous then the facts must come out.quick and dirty statistics are easier but in the world of minutia that is statistics there is a differance from rounding to the fifth or sixth or seventh decimal. probabilities are only about 20% of poker, statistically speaking.don't even get me started about average possibilities in a seven handed game with two players left post flop and calculating odds of making a flush with four parts before the turn absent a read what the pot odds must be to warrant a smooth call.but i forgot you are always right and no else knows what they are talking about, especially when you cannot present any substantial proff that your hypothesis is correct and mine is wrong. just saying i am wrong and calling me stupid suffice to debase any arguement i am making regardless of mathmatics supporting my position.i beieve there is a phrase for you that begins with highly funtional and ends with dee dee dee.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Petoria 0]

oh when someone says i don't understand statistics and they are erroneous then the facts must come out.quick and dirty statistics are easier but in the world of minutia that is statistics there is a differance from rounding to the fifth or sixth or seventh decimal. probabilities are only about 20% of poker, statistically speaking.don't even get me started about average possibilities in a seven handed game with two players left post flop and calculating odds of making a flush with four parts before the turn absent a read what the pot odds must be to warrant a smooth call.but i forgot you are always right and no else knows what they are talking about, especially when you cannot present any substantial proff that your hypothesis is correct and mine is wrong. just saying i am wrong and calling me stupid suffice to debase any arguement i am making regardless of mathmatics supporting my position.i beieve there is a phrase for you that begins with highly funtional and ends with dee dee dee.

Explain to me that if you dont know the burn card, how does it affect your "%'s"(whatever that means). The card is random, so it can be any card. The only way it can affect anything is if you look at it. You're playing wrong. if you look at the burn card. Read any statistics book, and turn to the page about randomness.Probabilities are only about 20% of poker if you burn a card, they're 21.92% if you dont.

[dead money 1]

oh when someone says i don't understand statistics and they are erroneous then the facts must come out.quick and dirty statistics are easier but in the world of minutia that is statistics there is a differance from rounding to the fifth or sixth or seventh decimal.probabilities are only about 20% of poker, statistically speaking.don't even get me started about average possibilities in a seven handed game with two players left post flop and calculating odds of making a flush with four parts before the turn absent a read what the pot odds must be to warrant a smooth call.but i forgot you are always right and no else knows what they are talking about, especially when you cannot present any substantial proff that your hypothesis is correct and mine is wrong. just saying i am wrong and calling me stupid suffice to debase any arguement i am making regardless of mathmatics supporting my position.i beieve there is a phrase for you that begins with highly funtional and ends with dee dee dee.

It took Tsosumi a month to write this. He had to learn all these knew words to add to his post. He read and reread it. He had it proofread by his high school teacher. He did 2 more drafts. He then threw it out and started over. Then he prayed. He quit his after school job. He ran away from home and joined a buddhist monastary. He was kicked out shortly after that for playing with the little buddha. He went back home and begged his parents to take him back. They obliged and he thought more about how right he was. He wrote yet another draft of this post. He reworked his stats to make sure they made no sense. And finally, when he was absolutely sure he was going to make himself a bigger jopke then Jfarrel, he made this wonderful post. He relished in his ineptitude and quietly went to sleep.

[Merby 3]

Man I love this post... It sure made my day! I know this is a jopke post, but I'll bite anyway:Let's follow the OP's flaw-gic:Given: Choosing not to burn a card changes the probability of winning a hand by the river Then: Not burning a card will change the odds of of making a flush by the river after flopping four to a flushAlong the same line of thinking: The number of players dealt into a hand will also change the probability of making your flush (because each of the cards dealt to other opponents play as much a role as a burn card in any probability calculations.)Therefore: If you flop four to a flush, the probability of making your flush when it is checked to the river when you play heads-up is not the same as the probability when you play ten-handed?Cheers,Merby(p.s: the probability of making your flush by the river is INDEPENDANT of the number of players in the game)