limit versus no-limit

[jack24bauer24 0]

I'm rather new to online limit poker. I'd played limit fairly regularly over the past 3 years, but since I joined Pokerstars in June I'd played nothing but NL, its how I built my stack up from the wee 50 dollars I once bought in for.Well, after having played limit quite a bit the past 2 weeks, I must say that playing 1-2 limit is a much more profitable game than .50-1 NL. The players are soooooo bad. I thought players were bad at NL, but at limit its a complete joke.I was making on average about 52 dollars a day playing exclusively NL, usually for quite a few hours a day. The last 3 nights I've played at maximum 3.5 hours of limit poker and have won over 100 each night. Its almost laughable how bad the players are, and I hear they are even worse at partypoker.For anyone who plays exclusively NL, I strongly urge you to try out some limit poker online for awhile. I must say that I'm pretty much converted to limit now. You don't get the rush from it like you do NL, and it can be very frustrating because there is no real way to protect your hand, but in the long run the money you make is very much worth it. You might not have huge huge paydays like you do at NL, but you won't have days where you lose 2X the max buy in like you will at NL from time to time when your aces get cracked by kings. Before when I played limit at the casino or home games I would say I was an average at best limit player. Having literally played 10s of thousands of hands of NL, both in cash and tournaments obviously you become a much much much much better player. I would say that playing NL helps your limit game, and that limit helps your NL game.

[Jordan 1]

That's a lot to make per night playing 1-2..you have any HH to post? Not saying I don't believe you, I do. Just curious to see some outrageous hands.- Jordan

[jack24bauer24 0]

I was 3 tabling, but I can get some hand histories.

[ahalvara 0]

I would say that playing NL helps your limit game, and that limit helps your NL game.

I agree with you on this statement, however I am still in some way skiddish about playing cash games online. I love playing tournaments online but the cash games are best played, for me anyhow, in a B&M. I live in Norwalk, CA which is about 10 Mins away from Hawaiian Gardens, Bicycle Club, and Commerce, in each direction. I am pretty much in the Mecca of Card Clubs here in Los Angeles. Online play is convenient so that you don't have to travel to the casino and just play at home stuffing your face with a sandwhich in your PJ's but, nothing beats playing at these card clubs. I started playing 2-4 for a bit until I got comfortable with the fundamentals. Now if I do play limit, I will not go under 3-6. The competition in 3-6 compared to 2-4 is very different, the same with 4-8. Then I gave No Limit a shot and it is very difficult to go back to limit after see the profit of No Limit that I have been making. Looking Back, I can't say limit improved my reads because they call everything down to the river anyhow, but Limit did help with getting a better understanding of the game. Sorry for the long post, just had to make that statement.

[jack24bauer24 0]

PokerStars Game #1213758216: Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/02/14 - 00:04:59 (ET)Table 'Eriphyla' Seat #5 is the buttonSeat 1: migliano ($92.75 in chips) Seat 2: conrad1212 ($72.50 in chips) Seat 3: jmreagles ($29 in chips) Seat 4: corndog27 ($108.50 in chips) Seat 5: diggerdahl ($92.75 in chips) Seat 6: BosGeorge ($27.25 in chips) Seat 7: Hugo Cowboy ($30.75 in chips) Seat 8: Roebe ($14.25 in chips) Seat 9: Zeus1221 ($57.50 in chips) Seat 10: jack24bauer ($314.25 in chips) BosGeorge: posts small blind $0.50Hugo Cowboy: posts big blind $1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Qd Qh]Roebe: calls $1Zeus1221: folds jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2migliano: folds conrad1212: folds jmreagles: calls $2corndog27: folds diggerdahl: folds BosGeorge: folds Hugo Cowboy: folds Roebe: calls $1*** FLOP *** [2c 7c 6d]Roebe: checks jack24bauer: bets $1jmreagles: calls $1Roebe: calls $1*** TURN *** [2c 7c 6d] [Jh]Roebe: checks jack24bauer: bets $2jmreagles: raises $2 to $4Roebe: calls $4jack24bauer: calls $2*** RIVER *** [2c 7c 6d Jh] [5c]Roebe: checks jack24bauer: checks jmreagles: bets $2Roebe: calls $2jack24bauer: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***jmreagles: shows [Jc Kc] (a flush, King high)Roebe: mucks hand jack24bauer said, "nice runner runner"jack24bauer: mucks hand jmreagles collected $27.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $28.50 | Rake $1 Board [2c 7c 6d Jh 5c]Seat 1: migliano folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: conrad1212 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: jmreagles showed [Jc Kc] and won ($27.50) with a flush, King highSeat 4: corndog27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: diggerdahl (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: BosGeorge (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: Hugo Cowboy (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: Roebe mucked [5d Jd]Seat 9: Zeus1221 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: jack24bauer mucked [Qd Qh]This was a tough beat, but what can you do.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Tc Ts]glangdon: calls $1jack24bauer: raises $1 to $21326ismyname: folds ATTAR: folds Keebs86: folds Zeus1221: folds rbones333: calls $1.50GoDogGo: calls $1Mr.Tonks has returnedglangdon: calls $1*** FLOP *** [6h 5h Td]rbones333: checks GoDogGo: checks glangdon: checks jack24bauer: bets $1rbones333: folds GoDogGo: calls $1glangdon: folds *** TURN *** [6h 5h Td] [6c]GoDogGo: checks jack24bauer: bets $2GoDogGo: calls $2*** RIVER *** [6h 5h Td 6c] [7h]GoDogGo: checks jack24bauer: bets $2GoDogGo: folds jack24bauer collected $13.50 from potjack24bauer: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $14 | Rake $0.50 Board [6h 5h Td 6c 7h]Seat 1: glangdon folded on the FlopSeat 2: jack24bauer collected ($13.50)Seat 3: 1326ismyname folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: ATTAR folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Keebs86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Zeus1221 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: rbones333 (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 10: GoDogGo (big blind) folded on the RiverNot sure what he's calling with all the way and then folding when the 3rd heart comes, I thought I was really going to get paid off.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Ts Ad]jmreagles: folds corndog27: folds gyto: folds BosGeorge: calls $1Hugo Cowboy: folds Roebe: folds Zeus1221: folds jack24bauer: calls $1migliano: folds conrad1212: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 9s 3h]conrad1212: checks BosGeorge: bets $1jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2conrad1212: folds BosGeorge: calls $1*** TURN *** [Th 9s 3h] [4c]BosGeorge: bets $2jack24bauer: calls $2*** RIVER *** [Th 9s 3h 4c] [Ah]BosGeorge: checks jack24bauer: bets $2BosGeorge: folds jack24bauer collected $11 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $11.50 | Rake $0.50 Board [Th 9s 3h 4c Ah]Seat 1: migliano (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: conrad1212 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 3: jmreagles folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: corndog27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: gyto folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: BosGeorge folded on the RiverSeat 7: Hugo Cowboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Roebe folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Zeus1221 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: jack24bauer (button) collected ($11)*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Kd Ks]maxisean: calls $1jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2DABRUG: folds MTYardDog: folds veggyking leaves the table1326ismyname: calls $2Child Roland: folds Child Roland is sitting outLukeNac: folds yplay: calls $1maxisean: folds *** FLOP *** [8s 9d 8c]yplay: checks jack24bauer: bets $11326ismyname: calls $1yplay: calls $1*** TURN *** [8s 9d 8c] [3h]yplay: checks jack24bauer: bets $21326ismyname: raises $2 to $4yplay: folds jack24bauer: calls $2*** RIVER *** [8s 9d 8c 3h] [6d]jack24bauer: checks 1326ismyname: bets $2jack24bauer: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***1326ismyname: shows [Ac 9c] (two pair, Nines and Eights)jack24bauer: shows [Kd Ks] (two pair, Kings and Eights)jack24bauer collected $21.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $22.50 | Rake $1 Board [8s 9d 8c 3h 6d]Seat 1: 1326ismyname showed [Ac 9c] and lost with two pair, Nines and EightsSeat 3: Child Roland (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: LukeNac (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: yplay (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 7: maxisean folded before FlopSeat 8: jack24bauer showed [Kd Ks] and won ($21.50) with two pair, Kings and EightsSeat 9: DABRUG folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: MTYardDog folded before Flop (didn't bet)*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Ac Ks]Hugo Cowboy: folds Roebe: folds Zeus1221: folds jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2migliano: folds conrad1212: calls $2jmreagles: folds corndog27: folds gyto: folds BosGeorge: folds *** FLOP *** [Qd 9s Js]jack24bauer: bets $1conrad1212: calls $1*** TURN *** [Qd 9s Js] [7h]jack24bauer: bets $2conrad1212: raises $2 to $4jack24bauer: calls $2*** RIVER *** [Qd 9s Js 7h] [Tc]jack24bauer: bets $2conrad1212: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***jack24bauer: shows [Ac Ks] (a straight, Ten to Ace)conrad1212: mucks hand jack24bauer collected $18.75 from potconrad1212 said, "river"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $19.50 | Rake $0.75 Board [Qd 9s Js 7h Tc]Seat 1: migliano folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: conrad1212 mucked [Ts Jc]Seat 3: jmreagles folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: corndog27 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: gyto (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: BosGeorge (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: Hugo Cowboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Roebe folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Zeus1221 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: jack24bauer showed [Ac Ks] and won ($18.75) with a straight, Ten to AceDealt to jack24bauer [Qd Kd]veggyking: calls $1yplay: folds 1326ismyname has returnedChild Roland [observer] said, "wtg jerry"maxisean: folds jack24bauer: calls $1DABRUG: folds Jerry710: folds Gymshoe: calls $0.50LukeNac: checks *** FLOP *** [8d 2d 4d]Gymshoe: checks Jerry710 said, "ty"LukeNac: checks veggyking: checks jack24bauer: checks *** TURN *** [8d 2d 4d] [9d]Gymshoe: bets $2LukeNac: folds veggyking: folds jack24bauer: calls $2*** RIVER *** [8d 2d 4d 9d] [4c]Gymshoe: bets $2jack24bauer: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***Gymshoe: shows [6s 6d] (a flush, Nine high)jack24bauer: shows [Qd Kd] (a flush, King high)jack24bauer collected $11.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $12 | Rake $0.50 Board [8d 2d 4d 9d 4c]Seat 2: Jerry710 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Gymshoe (small blind) showed [6s 6d] and lost with a flush, Nine highSeat 4: LukeNac (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 5: veggyking folded on the TurnSeat 6: yplay folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: maxisean folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: jack24bauer showed [Qd Kd] and won ($11.50) with a flush, King highSeat 9: DABRUG folded before Flop (didn't bet)*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Qd Tc]MTYardDog: folds 1326ismyname: folds Jerry710: folds Gymshoe: folds LukeNac: calls $1veggyking: folds yplay: calls $1maxisean: calls $1jack24bauer: calls $0.50DABRUG: checks *** FLOP *** [Ts 7h 8h]Jerry710 said, "calls a preflop raise with A4 os"jack24bauer: bets $1DABRUG: calls $1LukeNac: calls $1yplay: folds jack24bauer said, "its a big hand"jack24bauer said, "with it being offsuit"maxisean: calls $1*** TURN *** [Ts 7h 8h] [Td]jack24bauer: bets $2DABRUG: folds LukeNac: calls $2maxisean: folds *** RIVER *** [Ts 7h 8h Td] [Qh]jack24bauer: bets $2LukeNac: raises $2 to $4jack24bauer: raises $2 to $6LukeNac: raises $2 to $8Betting is cappedjack24bauer: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***LukeNac: shows [Ah 3h] (a flush, Ace high)jack24bauer: shows [Qd Tc] (a full house, Tens full of Queens)Jerry710 said, "beat my AK suited"jack24bauer collected $28.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $29.50 | Rake $1 Board [Ts 7h 8h Td Qh]Seat 1: 1326ismyname folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Jerry710 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Gymshoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: LukeNac showed [Ah 3h] and lost with a flush, Ace highSeat 5: veggyking folded before FlopSeat 6: yplay folded on the FlopSeat 7: maxisean (button) folded on the TurnSeat 8: jack24bauer (small blind) showed [Qd Tc] and won ($28.50) with a full house, Tens full of QueensSeat 9: DABRUG (big blind) folded on the TurnSeat 10: MTYardDog folded before Flop (didn't bet)*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [9h 9c]Jerry710: folds Gymshoe: folds LukeNac: folds yplay: calls $1maxisean: folds jack24bauer: calls $1DABRUG: calls $1MTYardDog: calls $0.50o olerson: checks *** FLOP *** [7s 3c 5h]MTYardDog: checks o olerson: checks yplay: bets $1jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2DABRUG: calls $2MTYardDog: folds o olerson: calls $2yplay: calls $1*** TURN *** [7s 3c 5h] [8d]o olerson: checks yplay: checks jack24bauer: bets $2DABRUG: calls $2o olerson: calls $2yplay: folds *** RIVER *** [7s 3c 5h 8d] [Ah]o olerson: folds jack24bauer: checks DABRUG: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***jack24bauer: shows [9h 9c] (a pair of Nines)DABRUG: mucks hand jack24bauer collected $18.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $19 | Rake $0.75 Board [7s 3c 5h 8d Ah]Seat 1: o olerson (big blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: Jerry710 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Gymshoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: LukeNac folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: yplay folded on the TurnSeat 7: maxisean folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: jack24bauer showed [9h 9c] and won ($18.25) with a pair of NinesSeat 9: DABRUG (button) mucked [Jc Ks]Seat 10: MTYardDog (small blind) folded on the Flop*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Qc Ts]Abron: folds slickedddie1: folds whalefish310: folds BoPatSox: folds SEAKC: calls $1NYC99: folds L7SQUARED: folds jack24bauer: calls $0.50cool_1000000: checks *** FLOP *** [Qd 7c As]jack24bauer: bets $1cool_1000000: folds SEAKC: calls $1*** TURN *** [Qd 7c As] [Ah]jack24bauer: checks SEAKC: bets $2jack24bauer: calls $2*** RIVER *** [Qd 7c As Ah] [9d]jack24bauer: checks SEAKC: bets $2jack24bauer: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***SEAKC: shows [6c 6h] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)jack24bauer: shows [Qc Ts] (two pair, Aces and Queens)jack24bauer collected $12.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $13 | Rake $0.50 Board [Qd 7c As Ah 9d]Seat 2: jack24bauer (small blind) showed [Qc Ts] and won ($12.50) with two pair, Aces and QueensSeat 3: cool_1000000 (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: Abron folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: slickedddie1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: whalefish310 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: BoPatSox folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: SEAKC showed [6c 6h] and lost with two pair, Aces and SixesSeat 9: NYC99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: L7SQUARED (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jack24bauer [Ac As]zellik: folds jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2cool_1000000: folds Abron: folds slickedddie1: folds whalefish310: folds BoPatSox: calls $1SEAKC: folds NYC99: folds L7SQUARED: calls $1*** FLOP *** [Ah 8s Kh]L7SQUARED: bets $1jack24bauer: raises $1 to $2BoPatSox: folds zellik is disconnected L7SQUARED: calls $1*** TURN *** [Ah 8s Kh] [5h]L7SQUARED: checks jack24bauer: bets $2L7SQUARED: calls $2*** RIVER *** [Ah 8s Kh 5h] [9d]L7SQUARED: checks jack24bauer: bets $2L7SQUARED: calls $2*** SHOW DOWN ***jack24bauer: shows [Ac As] (three of a kind, Aces)L7SQUARED: mucks hand jack24bauer collected $18.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $19 | Rake $0.75 Board [Ah 8s Kh 5h 9d]Seat 1: zellik folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: jack24bauer showed [Ac As] and won ($18.25) with three of a kind, AcesSeat 3: cool_1000000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: Abron folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: slickedddie1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: whalefish310 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: BoPatSox folded on the FlopSeat 8: SEAKC (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: NYC99 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 10: L7SQUARED (big blind) mucked [Kd Jh]For some reason pstars is only sending me my last 200 hands and won't give me anymore...I guess they are mad at me...I had a 55 dollar pot or something like that when I had a4 of hearts in an 8 way hand preflop, the flop was 2 hearts, everyone bet and called 2, then it was raised to 4....nothing on the turn, it was bet and called by everyone for another 4, then the heart came on the river.

[MrConceit 0]

jmreagles: shows [Jc Kc] (a flush, King high)Roebe: mucks handjack24bauer said, "nice runner runner"jack24bauer: mucks handjmreagles collected $27.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $28.50 | Rake $1Board [2c 7c 6d Jh 5c]Seat 1: migliano folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: conrad1212 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: jmreagles showed [Jc Kc] and won ($27.50) with a flush, King highSeat 4: corndog27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: diggerdahl (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: BosGeorge (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: Hugo Cowboy (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 8: Roebe mucked [5d Jd]Seat 9: Zeus1221 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 10: jack24bauer mucked [Qd Qh]This was a tough beat, but what can you do.

I read about half to 2/3rds of the hands and it looked like good play from you.I just felt like pointing out he didn't get a runner runner, . He flopped a flush draw. You can diss his preflop coldcall with KJc for sure, but he flopped a flush draw with 2 overcards, then thought his J pair was best on the turn when he raised, plus he still has his original flush draw he flopped. Which of course he rivered.

[dna4ever 2]

For anyone who plays exclusively NL, I strongly urge you to try out some limit poker online for awhile. I must say that I'm pretty much converted to limit now. You don't get the rush from it like you do NL, and it can be very frustrating because there is no real way to protect your hand, but in the long run the money you make is very much worth it.

Couldnt have worded it better myself. I was an exclusive NL and SnG player myself until about a week or two ago. I then started playing limit and am up about $150 or so in the last week 5 tabling $0.50/$1.00. My blog (link at the end of every post) kinda gives you an idea of my progression. My goal is to stick to the 300bb rule so I will continue to play $0.50/$1.00 until my BR gets to $600 then I will swap over to $1/$2.

[Leedspokerguru 0]

Thanks for the post I'll mul over the suggestion. TBH I started as a NL SNG player too fearful of NL cash games, too affraid of the sharks. Tried it anyway after a while. Cursed it and played a bit too weak tight. Stuck with it after realising it's better to play like a Lion than a lamb. Now I'm the one hunting all the little ><{{{{'>. Thought about the LIMIT side but whenever I've tried it have found it too slow and mechanical. Plus hate not getting the protection. Found it a bit boring tbh. But have considered giving it another whirl. Might do. Depends how good i feel after reading Harmans bit in SS2.

[Absolution 0]

I have to agree about the first hand you posted. That guy played great after the flop.

[Tparks86 0]

Yeah, the first hand wasn't much of a bad beat. KJ suited is usually worthy of two bets. He flopped the flush draw, turned top pair, there's no shame in believing he was a heavy favorite.

[jack24bauer24 0]

Ya I know the first hand wasn't really a bad beat, which is why I said "what can you do". After he called preflop he obviously was going the entire way, especially after the jack hit the turn.

[KDawgCometh 2]

please use the hand converter when posting hands, just way to much to read. Your play generally looked fine, just remember that downswings will happen in limit, be forewarned