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[Whatever 1]

Do you like my raise postflop and is the check on the turn weak?Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP2 with [Kc], [Jd]. 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) [Jc], [3s], [Qc] (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.Turn: (5 BB) [5s] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero checks.River: (5 BB) [8s] (2 players)MP1 bets, Hero calls.Final Pot: 7 BB

[Sushiman 0]

Whats the point of the raise? Do you feel you have the best and want to knock others off the flush/straight draw?I don't hate the raise, I hate the turn check.

[Whatever 1]

I wanted to knock out any draws and protect my hand which I didn't feel was exceedingly strong. I felt like I might be behind on the turn and checked. Weak checks like this are killing me I'm afraid.

[screech 0]

I wanted to knock out any draws and protect my hand which I didn't feel was exceedingly strong. I felt like I might be behind on the turn and checked. Weak checks like this are killing me I'm afraid.

If you think you're behind on the flop you should fold.If you raise, you should bet the turn.

[TheIceman05 0]

Haha, he had 9T.I like the raise, but bet the turn. You pulled the freecard play for his draw... on yourselfHe did have 9T, didn't he? Or did you pick off a missed club draw?Ice

[mrdannyg 274]

it is often tempting to check behind on those hands, but it is incorrect.some of us will disagree on how to play the hand, but i think we can all agree that playing it like that is incorrect, since it is inconsistent.if you believe you are ahead on the flop, there is no reason to think you are behind on the turn, so you should bet.if you don't believe you are ahead, you should either fold, or call if pot odds to your 5-outer are correct.but most importantly, while it is always tempting to check behind on those hands, it is almost never correct. unless something happens like you get multiple cold-callers, it is almost always correct to bet the turn, then check behind on the river. in your head, if you are checking on the turn with the intention of calling a bet on the river, then just bet the turn and check behind on the river. it's the same amount of bets, but there is always the chance the guy folds, and also gives you the opportunity to bet again on the river if you improve.cheers,daniel

[Whatever 1]

Excellent points Daniel, thanks.

I like the raise, but bet the turn. You pulled the freecard play for his draw... on yourself

LOL, that's exactly what I did. I'm a moron.

[Whatever 1]

He did have 9T, didn't he? Or did you pick off a missed club draw?

Nope he had J10o so I may or may not have missed out on a bet since the way my downswing has been I'm probably weakly checking behind him on the river.

[mrdannyg 274]

He did have 9T, didn't he? Or did you pick off a missed club draw?

Nope he had J10o so I may or may not have missed out on a bet since the way my downswing has been I'm probably weakly checking behind him on the river.

if you bet the turn, checking behind on the river is not necessarily a bad play. remember that you get no value if he folds a missed draw. you only get value if he calls with a worse hand. so you have to consider the likelihood he is calling with a worse hand compared with the likelihood he has a better hand.since you have a good kicker and the player has been weak, he did bet out of early position and giving him credit for a queen is not unreasonable. with a hand like J-10, i check behind him on the river for sure. with JQ-JA i think it is marginal.daniel

[Abbaddabba 0]

You need to bet the turn if you're planning on calling a river bet unimproved.Otherwise you end up almost exclusively putting bets in against hands that have you beat, and not getting value from hands that you have beat.I generally fold KJoff preflop in this situation and raise with one limper if im closer to the button (and if there are no limpers yet, i raise from this position).

[jayboogie 0]

Either fold the flop or bet that turn if you raise the flop. If your opponent does happen to have a flush draw, your turn check allowed him a free card to hit it.