showdown %

[NormanHaupt 0]

Seriously, what % of showdowns do successful players get? I don't know if I'm in a slump.. if I'm not folding enough, or what, but I seem to be hovering around 1/3rd. Thats.. I win 1/3rd. People cool calling two pairs, flushes, straights, ect.What are your showdown percentages? I try and pump it as hard as I can when I do win.

[Smasharoo 0]

Depends a lot on the types of games you play.IF we're talking about loose LL Holdem around 60%.

[Absolute 0]

I don't know if I'm in a slump.. if I'm not folding enough, or what, but I seem to be hovering around 1/3rd. Thats.. I win 1/3rd. People cool calling two pairs, flushes, straights, ect. I am perhaps a little confused here.There's a difference between showdown % of the percentage of showdowns you win, if you know what I mean.If you are winning 33% of your showdowns, I would choose a new hobby. Would you continue to play the stock market if only 1/3 of your stocks showed success?As far as the number of showdowns you see as related to the hands played on a full table?That should be a very small number, somewhere around 3 or 4 percent. You should win at least 2 of every 3 pots without a showdown.

[Smasharoo 0]

Would you continue to play the stock market if only 1/3 of your stocks showed success? Depends completely on the game.If you win 20bb pots 1/3rd of the time you showdown a hand, you're doing fine.I'd be thrilled if 1/3 of my stocks quintupled and the rest went bankrupt.

[Absolute 0]

Depends completely on the game. If you win 20bb pots 1/3rd of the time you showdown a hand, you're doing fine. I'd be thrilled if 1/3 of my stocks quintupled and the rest went bankruptRight, but also I was trying to take in to context the rest of his post. If you are playing a game like .5/1 hold'em, chances are that 33% doesn't compensate for the losses.

[NormanHaupt 0]

I'm doing .5/.10 hold'em yes. I've had some successful days, but it seems the past 3 I'm just not winning at the showdowns. Fror whatever reason. I'm seeing between 30-35% flops, I'm playing premium hands, most of the time with top pair or higher. Maybe only a quarter of the time in these losses I get reraised- so I've no indication that myy pocket J's lost to a straight someone dropped on the flop.I'm utterly confounded in these

[Funkii 0]

if you're seeing 30-35% of flops, you're not playing 'premium hands.'

[NormanHaupt 0]

ah touche.. maybe I'm over playing A10s amd pocket J's. I don't think so.. I'm laying down, a lot, but maybe I'll tighten up a lot tomorrow and see if I can stop the bleed.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Depends a lot on the types of games you play.IF we're talking about loose LL Holdem around 60%.

I've always been curious about showdown winning percentage. I've played 60,000 hands in the NL range of .05/.10 through 1/2. I'm at 60% exactly. I've wondered what's considered successful.

[TheMathProf 0]

if you're seeing 30-35% of flops, you're not playing 'premium hands.'

I see this comment a lot, and I can't really say I completely understand it. Maybe it's just the nature of the games I've been playing (.01/.02 NL Hold 'Em).I've been pretty consistently at about 30% of flops seen (probably a little higher). I'll only consider an A-9 or below if suited and/or in late position/the blinds. I've been playing with the very-amateurish Black Jack rule (any cards that add up to 20 in Black Jack), which is probably a little loose by the premium hands standard, although I've been laying off the Q-10 lately. I also avoid most low-to-middle pocket pairs in a raised pot unless I know it's going to be at least four or five way (and even then sometimes not). The biggest leak I'm finding in my game is taking some of those hands like A-J and calling a smallish raise with them; even so, this shouldn't launch my flop percentage too high.I'm not often raised in my big blind, I'm noticing, so maybe that's part of it, as I'm often able to see a free flop from there and a cheap flop from the small blind, although my small blind percentage (35%) is not that much higher than my percentage from other positions (26%), so I'm thinking that it's probably not a huge leak from the small blind.Considering that other people mention playing things like suited connectors and other hands that I don't play very often at all, and I just really have a hard time understanding how a flop percentage could be too much lower than 30% without playing WAY too tightly. Am I playing loosely pre-flop and just don't realize it? Is this about normal? Maybe I'm misunderstanding this type of comment.

[MrConceit 0]

Yeah, you can't really compare NL or limit here, it's apples/oranges.I'm not sure exactly what good numbers are. I'm at went to SD% of 38.71 and won money at showdown 51.90 percent.Here's my stats for 15/30 lifetime. I used to be like 27.5 vp$ip but I'm cutting back and brought my lifetime stats to a percent point+ less. Oh and remember sb is 10 bucks of 15 big blind in looking at the SB stats.Level:15/30Hands:20949vp$ip:26.24vp$ in sb:58.67Folded BB to steal:35.14Att. to steal blinds:25.22Won $ WSF%:33.14BB/100 hands:1.98Went to SD%:38.71Won $ at SD%:51.90PF Raise%:7.5

[Smasharoo 0]

Right, but also I was trying to take in to context the rest of his post. If you are playing a game like .5/1 hold'em, chances are that 33% doesn't compensate for the losses.Actually it's more likely that it does, .5/1 being prone to larger pots than, say 10/20.If you're talking about a 3 day period of play it's completely menaingless. When you're running bad of course it's going to be lower, and vise versa.

[dna4ever 2]

Heres my last 5 sessions from the last 2 days (all 5 tabling $0.50/$1.00) .....During current Hold'em session you were dealt 812 hands and saw flop:- 56 out of 90 times while in big blind (62%)- 23 out of 87 times while in small blind (26%)- 83 out of 635 times in other positions (13%)- a total of 162 out of 812 (19%)Pots won at showdown - 33 of 68 (48%)Pots won without showdown - 36Won $2--------------------------------------------------During current Hold'em session you were dealt 583 hands and saw flop:- 40 out of 65 times while in big blind (61%)- 24 out of 65 times while in small blind (36%)- 69 out of 453 times in other positions (15%)- a total of 133 out of 583 (22%)Pots won at showdown - 21 of 59 (35%)Pots won without showdown - 33Won $4.75--------------------------------------------------During current Hold'em session you were dealt 405 hands and saw flop:- 29 out of 44 times while in big blind (65%)- 14 out of 45 times while in small blind (31%)- 43 out of 316 times in other positions (13%)- a total of 86 out of 405 (21%)Pots won at showdown - 20 of 33 (60%)Pots won without showdown - 24Won $63.25--------------------------------------------------During current Hold'em session you were dealt 197 hands and saw flop:- 12 out of 26 times while in big blind (46%)- 7 out of 26 times while in small blind (26%)- 24 out of 145 times in other positions (16%)- a total of 43 out of 197 (21%)Pots won at showdown - 8 of 16 (50%)Pots won without showdown - 8Won $2.50--------------------------------------------------During current Hold'em session you were dealt 361 hands and saw flop:- 22 out of 35 times while in big blind (62%)- 9 out of 38 times while in small blind (23%)- 40 out of 288 times in other positions (13%)- a total of 71 out of 361 (19%)Pots won at showdown - 20 of 33 (60%)Pots won without showdown - 16Won $50.75

[UglyJimStudly 0]

if you're seeing 30-35% of flops, you're not playing 'premium hands.'

I see this comment a lot, and I can't really say I completely understand it. Maybe it's just the nature of the games I've been playing (.01/.02 NL Hold 'Em).

Well, the answer to almost any question on poker strategy is "it depends." What are premium hands? It depends. I've never played .01/.02 NL, but I'm going to guess that it's a pretty loose game pre-flop, and then maybe tightens up afterwards. That's a different scenario from games that are loose all the way to the river, or tight pre-flop, etc. What's a premium hand under each of those table conditions will differ... so it depends.For example, two of the types of hands you mention are suited connectors and unpaired high cards (the blackjack 20 hands). Both can be premium hands, but in different game conditions. High card hands are very valuable in late position when playing in relatively tight games where top pair with a good kicker stands a good chance of holding up, and suited connectors aren't necessarily so good in those games because you don't have odds to draw. Suited connectors are very valuable in loose games from any position, whereas unpaired high cards in those games often get outdrawn. Different games, different premium hands. And of course then you factor in individual player strengths and weaknesses, and it gets even more complicated.This is why I'm pretty leary of stats like overall showdown percentage or starting hand selection - different situations call for different approaches. Aiming for some kind of target percentage is fine if you always play under the same conditions and can identify what the optimal numbers should be, but not optimal otherwise.