Sysvr4 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I tried out FCP for the first time last night and I wanted to give feedback here. Mainly because the support team has been awesome in listening to and answering the players. But secondarily to see if there are things I'm missing about the new client... if I missed it, maybe someone else did, too.Let's start with the good:1) Plenty of action - I found seven or eight full 2/4 tables last night and I found they started new ones regularly when the tables filled up. This is the good part of being a skin of an established network.2) Client has table stats - I love things like average pot size and players per flop. It still amazes me that Party and former skins don't show the latter, but FCP's client does. Admittedly, it took me a second to locate it on the right side of the client. Intuitively it should be a column in the table list like it is on Stars and FTP, but this is a very minor thing.3) Handhistory worked with PT as expected. No issues here, after I read Brando's thread on making it work. 4) The interface is (initially) very appealing visually. Now let's go with some honest criticisms:1) The first thing that struck me as odd was having to move money I deposited into my "cashier account" to my "poker account". I deposited via Neteller and tried to sit at a table only to be told "You have to make a deposit first". Huh? It took me several minutes to figure this out. Maybe I'm just a slow one, but no other site I've played does this. Once you deposit, it should be available in your poker account or whatever account you want. This separate account thing is arbitrary and kinda silly.After sitting down, I opened up 3 tables. Normally I play 4 tables of short handed, so 4 tables of full ring feels really slow to me on every other site. On FCP I had 2 tables of full and 1 table of SH going and I had trouble keeping up and I finally figured out why:2) It is somewhat difficult to determine the action visually while multi-tabling on this client.I'm not sure what the deal is, but there is something about the client that is confusing when multi-tabling. Maybe I'll get used to it, but it's the first site where I've had this problem. Maybe it's the cup holders... maybe it's the color scheme, I don't know. But I had considerably more difficulty on FCP than on any of the other 7 sites I play. Am I the only one? This one, I think, is a pretty big deal.3) Things like the FCP points and bonus dollars accumulated should be available real time.I like checking these kinds of things on other sites, and I've found I'm used to doing so. I don't much like that you have to logon to the website to check it either. I much prefer the other sites where the information is available right in the client.4) Is there really no "sit out next blind" thing?Ok, I coulda missed this one. Someone please tell me where it is if I did, but I looked everywhere when I was ready to sit out for an "auto-post blind" or "sit out next blind" checkbox and I couldn't find it. Consequently I played 3 extra rounds because I kept missing when I was UTG so I could sit out! :)Ok, this post is already longer than anyone is willing to read, but I wanted to post my experience, verbose though it may be. All in all, the experience was positive and I'll keep plugging away. Thanks in advance for any help on an issue above where I've missed something...Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I tried out FCP for the first time last night and I wanted to give feedback here. Mainly because the support team has been awesome in listening to and answering the players. But secondarily to see if there are things I'm missing about the new client... if I missed it, maybe someone else did, too.Let's start with the good:1) Plenty of action - I found seven or eight full 2/4 tables last night and I found they started new ones regularly when the tables filled up. This is the good part of being a skin of an established network.2) Client has table stats - I love things like average pot size and players per flop. It still amazes me that Party and former skins don't show the latter, but FCP's client does. Admittedly, it took me a second to locate it on the right side of the client. Intuitively it should be a column in the table list like it is on Stars and FTP, but this is a very minor thing.3) Handhistory worked with PT as expected. No issues here, after I read Brando's thread on making it work. 4) The interface is (initially) very appealing visually. Now let's go with some honest criticisms:1) The first thing that struck me as odd was having to move money I deposited into my "cashier account" to my "poker account". I deposited via Neteller and tried to sit at a table only to be told "You have to make a deposit first". Huh? It took me several minutes to figure this out. Maybe I'm just a slow one, but no other site I've played does this. Once you deposit, it should be available in your poker account or whatever account you want. This separate account thing is arbitrary and kinda silly.After sitting down, I opened up 3 tables. Normally I play 4 tables of short handed, so 4 tables of full ring feels really slow to me on every other site. On FCP I had 2 tables of full and 1 table of SH going and I had trouble keeping up and I finally figured out why:2) It is somewhat difficult to determine the action visually while multi-tabling on this client.I'm not sure what the deal is, but there is something about the client that is confusing when multi-tabling. Maybe I'll get used to it, but it's the first site where I've had this problem. Maybe it's the cup holders... maybe it's the color scheme, I don't know. But I had considerably more difficulty on FCP than on any of the other 7 sites I play. Am I the only one? This one, I think, is a pretty big deal.3) Things like the FCP points and bonus dollars accumulated should be available real time.I like checking these kinds of things on other sites, and I've found I'm used to doing so. I don't much like that you have to logon to the website to check it either. I much prefer the other sites where the information is available right in the client.4) Is there really no "sit out next blind" thing?Ok, I coulda missed this one. Someone please tell me where it is if I did, but I looked everywhere when I was ready to sit out for an "auto-post blind" or "sit out next blind" checkbox and I couldn't find it. Consequently I played 3 extra rounds because I kept missing when I was UTG so I could sit out! :)Ok, this post is already longer than anyone is willing to read, but I wanted to post my experience, verbose though it may be. All in all, the experience was positive and I'll keep plugging away. Thanks in advance for any help on an issue above where I've missed something...JeffJeff,I think you make some valid points here.The cashier thing is odd. Seems like they want this simply yo tempt you to go to the casino.Have you gone into your preferences and then the tab "Gameplay" to edit some of your preferences. There are a few things in there that may help. For instance, it gives you the chioce to show or muck your hand if the hand is uncalled, along with several other itmes. One is PopUp Table on Action (which if it works properly) would bring your table to the front of your screen when it is your turn.Another option in here is the "Auto Post Blinds/Antes", this may be the answer to your question about being able to sit out when you want. I haven't tried it yet but I bet it works.I am a regular Party user and this will take some time in getting used to. I am going to try and get used to it.I did get to play 2 SNG's with Daniel last night so some things outweigh others. Link to post Share on other sites
Smiddywap 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm at work so I can't check right now but I believe if you click on the box where your name is at the table you get a menu with the option to sit out the blinds. Can someone confirm that? Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm at work so I can't check right now but I believe if you click on the box where your name is at the table you get a menu with the option to sit out the blinds. Can someone confirm that?yup, just checked...right click your own name and toggle "auto post Blind/Ante" Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm at work so I can't check right now but I believe if you click on the box where your name is at the table you get a menu with the option to sit out the blinds. Can someone confirm that?yup, just checked...right click your own name and toggle "auto post Blind/Ante" Knew there had to be an easier way. Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Just found a very cool feature......Go into Preferences.....Player Notes....and setup your Player Note Icons.....when you see it you will know it.Then at the tables, right click on any other players name and then click Classify Player. You can then categorize them as YOU see fit.Brad Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I agree with the whole deposit thing. From the front page were joining a poker site not a casino site. If anything the money should automatically go into your poker account and then if you wish to play casino games you should have to transfer it. Plus the whole will take your money but not allow you to transfer it over to either of the other accounts is to messed up.Is it me or do the cards seem a little to small? I really have to double take a lot to see who is in the hand or not. By quickly looking at the table I find myself over looking who is playing and who is not. Seems like I'm always missing someone. Nice feed back sys. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I agree with the whole deposit thing. From the front page were joining a poker site not a casino site. If anything the money should automatically go into your poker account and then if you wish to play casino games you should have to transfer it. Plus the whole will take your money but not allow you to transfer it over to either of the other accounts is to messed up.Is it me or do the cards seem a little to small? I really have to double take a lot to see who is in the hand or not. By quickly looking at the table I find myself over looking who is playing and who is not. Seems like I'm always missing someone. Nice feed back sys.in preferences, it allows you to switch to a four colour deck. also makes the card numbers much bigger. Give it a shot.My favourite feature is the session browser...Every session, how many hands, win/loss. Then you can look at each session by table and each hand at each table. A lot of info in there if that's how you're inclined. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 in preferences, it allows you to switch to a four colour deck. also makes the card numbers much bigger. Give it a shot. Yeah but that four color deck is just fuggly. Link to post Share on other sites
Sysvr4 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 Is it me or do the cards seem a little to small? I really have to double take a lot to see who is in the hand or not.You mean the other players' hole cards, right? Yeah, I think that's part of my trouble following the action. It would help a lot to increase the size of those. I'll bet I could find the image file somewhere in the directory and manually increase it. I may check into that...Thanks for the tip on the player menu guys, that's exactly what I figured I was missing!Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
Waffles2003 1 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 If you want to add up chips while playing, u have to leave the table then sit in again. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 in preferences, it allows you to switch to a four colour deck. also makes the card numbers much bigger. Give it a shot. Yeah but that four color deck is just fuggly.i have it turned on at all my sites. It's the only way i play.You mean diamonds aren't green and clubs aren't blue?wtf? Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 in preferences, it allows you to switch to a four colour deck. also makes the card numbers much bigger. Give it a shot. Yeah but that four color deck is just fuggly.i have it turned on at all my sites. It's the only way i play.You mean diamonds aren't green and clubs aren't blue?wtf?... if you have turned on at all your sites, shouldn't you know that DIAMONDS are BLUE and CLUBS are GREEN? Link to post Share on other sites
10'sorbetter 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Is it me or do the cards seem a little to small? I really have to double take a lot to see who is in the hand or not. By quickly looking at the table I find myself over looking who is playing and who is not. Seems like I'm always missing someone. I agree with the cards blending in with the table. I overlooked a couple hands, which didn't effect the outcome, just something that I think should have a little more contrast for my higher stakes games, 0.25 lol Bank roll isn't that high. Link to post Share on other sites
Snowman 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 If you want to add up chips while playing, u have to leave the table then sit in again.I'm not sure exactly what you're meaning with leaving the table, because that's not necessary. It's enough to press "sit out" and then cashier, then sit back in again. You don't have to actually leave the table.Just clarifying. Link to post Share on other sites
jeff_536 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 in preferences, it allows you to switch to a four colour deck. also makes the card numbers much bigger. Give it a shot. Yeah but that four color deck is just fuggly.i have it turned on at all my sites. It's the only way i play.You mean diamonds aren't green and clubs aren't blue?wtf?... if you have turned on at all your sites, shouldn't you know that DIAMONDS are BLUE and CLUBS are GREEN?hey..nice playing the other night. Did the card colours mix you up? Link to post Share on other sites
Sysvr4 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Author Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'll bet I could find the image file somewhere in the directory and manually increase it. I may check into that...Ok, replying to myself here, but some of you may find this interesting.Long story short, you can't change any of the images. The program does a check (probably md5sum) on all the resource files before starting and if any of the files have changed it downloades the "correct" one from the server and replaces it. Here's what I think needs to be changed and what I tried:1) Hole cardsIn the FCPResourcesGraphics directory there is a file called "Game-Cards-Hidden.tga" which is the small card icon for other players' hole cards. I tried to replace this file with the file "Game-Cards-Hidden-Big.tga" which is already in the directory but is apparently unused. No dice, the new file I created always reverted back to the old version when I started the program.2) Cup holdersI also tried to take the cup holders off the table. I made a new version of the file "Game-Table.bmp" in that same directory without cupholders and replaced the old one. Same thing, it reverted when I started up.3) The dealer button.I didn't bother trying to change this but it needs to be more noticable. Bigger, a different color, something. I finally figured out that this is the biggest problem I have with the action because I always scan for the button when I look at a table and follow what's happened from there around to me. If I can't find the button, I can't tell what's going on.Currently it's hard to distinguish the button from the cupholders and the other player's chips. If I had to pick one change, this would be it.Additionally, I did try to set the read-only bit on the the files I changed but that only caused the FCP client to refuse to start at all. Ah well, worth a shot :)I'm pretty sure I could reverse engineer the client not to even try to patch but then you'd miss updates to the software, which wouldn't be good. So, FCP support, if you're listening, could you pretty please make these minor graphics changes?Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
Snowman 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm pretty sure I could reverse engineer the client not to even try to patch but then you'd miss updates to the software, which wouldn't be good. So, FCP support, if you're listening, could you pretty please make these minor graphics changes?JeffAgree about the dealer button. I've also had trouble locating it.I think a good idea would be to offer a number of different looks or themes. You could have at least one very minimalistic and clear for the multiplayers and those who prefer that. Then you could have a flashy one to attract all the players that are drawn by cool graphics and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
Dewey99 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I like the site overall. Played 3 good sessions in the last few days all 3 table shorthanded ring, my only complanint is you really have to look at the bet before you call. Takes a second to get the actual amount. 1 by looking at the chips that are in front of the player to your right or its printed very small under the action buttons. Just takes a extra second or so if figure out the amount that you are caling. other wise i like the site. most of my Roll is in Paradise and stars so iv never seen or played on this skin, but i think that the play is very weak. No complaints about that. Ill get used to the call amounts thought. Did make a few call on bets i didnt see where raised but not for anything that really hurt yet. Keep up the good work. By the way im Dewey990 See you around Link to post Share on other sites
blakheart 3 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I agree the other players hole cards are kind of small- I missed a player was still in the hand when I tried to put a short stack all in last night- Oh well, that happens in live games too. I played a MTT last night and some cash games. Once I got playing for a while it seemed to be easier and easier to use the site.By the way, I agree there are a lot of fish in this ocean... Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I am in agreement. My list of changes is:1) Better way of indicating dealer: Maybe lighten their area, put the button closer to them, bigger button, etc... actually I think the button should be closer anyway, because when it's close to the end of the table, I have trouble telling who it is.2) Better way of indicating who is still active in the hand, as well as their actions. If someone bet, and someone raised, it takes more than just a quick glance to figure it out.3) Get rid of the cup holders.4) Bet indicator. I like big, bold numbers to indicate how much I am calling.5) I would also like a quick way of going to a tournament lobby. If you are playing more than one tournament simultaneously, it's a bit of a pain to switch back and forth between info windows (unless someone has a shortcut that I can't find?)The whole point of all of this is to make multitabling easier. but as it sits now, I simply cant play more than 2 tables without slowing down everyone.ffishh Link to post Share on other sites
crazykid13 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Now mind you all...I'm certainly no big shot...I haven't even deposited real money yet on FCP...but I was dabbling with the play money tables...I like the fact that you can create private tables...since I like extremely short handed games...this is a plus...Now...I went broke on the play money tables...And I can't find a place to reload...It says you can through the cashier...Looking...Looking...Nope..I lose...that's what I get for playing 500/1000 fixed with only 18 grand..Anyone figure out how to reload play money?I'll keep with FCP despite the slight confusion...I think DN and others will make sure this site is ran the way poker sites should be... Link to post Share on other sites
poguemahone68 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I'm pretty sure I could reverse engineer the client not to even try to patch but then you'd miss updates to the software, which wouldn't be good. So, FCP support, if you're listening, could you pretty please make these minor graphics changes?JeffAgree about the dealer button. I've also had trouble locating it.I think a good idea would be to offer a number of different looks or themes. You could have at least one very minimalistic and clear for the multiplayers and those who prefer that. Then you could have a flashy one to attract all the players that are drawn by cool graphics and stuff.I completely agree with this. I had Full Tilt and FCP tables running next to each other and it was clear which interface was perfect for multi tabling. FCP has far too much happenening on the screen, rendering it a multi-tabling nightmare. The FCP screens even overlap on my 21" monitor with 1600 x 1200 resolution.I agree with most of the complaints listed above. It seems the FCP team wants to make this skin as fun and useful as they can for the players, so hopefully they will listen and make some changes in the near future.A skin for Full Tilt would have been perfect. Link to post Share on other sites
Smiddywap 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 Anyone figure out how to reload play money?There's a Refill button in 'My Account' on the fcp.com website. Link to post Share on other sites
ffishh 0 Posted December 10, 2005 Share Posted December 10, 2005 I should mention, that I really like a lot of the features too. Stats are great, tourney info windows (particularily the multitable) are great, the look is great, fcp chat is awesome..... I will play there, but mostly tourneys, as I would really have a tough time multi tabling (due to my list of changes in prev post). ffishh Link to post Share on other sites
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