daniel and religion

[jackoffsuit 0]

I was reading Daniels journal and he talked about a discussion he had about religion. So, I was wondering what religion he believes. Does he believe in God?

[Fullhouse7 0]

Christianity. Came about after his earlier crazy days of boozing. "A case for Christ" by Lee Strobel affected him deeply. Great book by the way.Fullhouse7

[Oziumrules 0]

A Case For Christ is a great book for non Christians also. It might answer some questions you might have about faith and what you believe in.God Bless

[PocketRocks 0]

Yeah, DN said in a previous post that he would send anyone a copy of that book. I asked him for one and have not recieved it yet. I guess I will have to go out and buy it if I want to read it. Sounds like a great book.

[chrozzo 19]

yeah good book, read The Prayer of Jabez if you are so inclined...also good

[chrozzo 19]

yeah good book, read The Prayer of Jabez if you are so inclined...also good

[weishan14 0]

Yeah, DN said in a previous post that he would send anyone a copy of that book.  I asked him for one and have not recieved it yet.  I guess I will have to go out and buy it if I want to read it.  Sounds like a great book.

Sorry, my computer was acting up and wouldn't let me finish this, so I didn't think I'd made the post. Anyway I sent you an PM about the book, and want you to know that you will be getting one as soon as we get things worked out with Travis (he's checking to see if he might of missed you email) or if you want to PM your information to me and I'll get it out to you ASAP.

[pokerhoney28 0]

I thought another great book to read, if you're looking: 1) The power of the praying wife2) The 5 people you meet in Heaven :pray: Both great books....But I do agree, I would like to read that book myself.

[bobonic 0]

still pimpin porno star chips though...jk

[LAS22 0]

Another interesting read is called Revolution by George Barna. It basically states that the current church setting is not meeting the needs of a lot of people. He looks into alternate ways of Christians worshipping God and not just relying on going to church on Sunday. It's very thought provoking.We are not called by God to GO to church, we are called by God to BE the church.

[PocketRocks 0]

Thanks weishan14, I PM'ed you

[pokerhoney28 0]

DN posted that if anyone wanted a copy of that book he would send it to them??? I would like a copy! :-)

[Java 0]

Yes, faith is a good thing thing to have.If you ever want to take time out from poker, the following site is a good place for daily reflection and prayer.http://www.upperroom.org/devotional/Jay

[DarthTimmanus 0]

I think that is really cool. I never knew he was a Christian.That makes him even more of my favorite. Case for Christ is Good. So is Case for Faith."Mere Christianity", "Till we Have Faces" and "Screwtape Letters" are must reads by C.S. Lewis. I would suggest that order.Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning is Great.

[Loismustdie 0]

I think that is really cool. I never knew he was a Christian.That makes him even more of my favorite. Case for Christ is Good. So is Case for Faith."Mere Christianity", "Till we Have Faces" and "Screwtape Letters" are must reads by C.S. Lewis. I would suggest that order.Ragamuffin Gospel by Brennan Manning is Great.

How about the Bible? There is a start.

[DarthTimmanus 0]

How about the Bible? There is a start.

It is the best place to start. Hopefully everything written we have talked about has its start in the Bible.

[pokerhoney28 0]

I just received the book today and am going to start reading it! Thanks again!

[Gene zzz 0]

I am in a church right now I use the computer here. The presz of it backs my play! But is is Humanism and not Christian you can be both but they screen you; there are alot of anarchist around here and must of them don't believe in any church or God even if it works. I believe in what ever works if you pray and get what you pray for good for you,but am very proof minded and not judging you can bee what ever with me. I heard his interview on the radio and he is very serious about things the others seem to be having fun.

[LAS22 0]

I am in a church right now I use the computer here.   The presz of it backs my play!  But is is Humanism and not Christian you can be both but they screen you; there are alot of anarchist around here and must of them don't believe in any church or God even if it works.  I believe in what ever works if you pray and get what you pray for good for you,but am very proof minded and not judging you can bee what ever with me.  I heard his interview on the radio and he is very serious about things the others seem to be having fun.

What?! I had to read that 3 times for it to make any sense, and I still don't get it.

[Kilgore Trout 0]

Lee Strobel (sp?)'s book isn't very good, its pretty slanted for an objective read, I met him once and he even had to admit the book is in the Religious Fiction category (similar to the aforementioned Screwtape letters which is a good book since Lewis was writing a fiction book). I think anyone who reads Case for Christ has to see some serious bias, it is no where near objective.'Jesus: Two Visions' By Marcus Borg and N.T. Wright is a much better book on the subject because you get an argument from a scientific/logic side (Borg of the Jesus Seminar) and one from the fundementalist side (Wright). The scientific/logic side is not biased in the fantastic the way Case for Christ is, Borg's beleif is based in both faith and reason, I don't know why so many people have to beleive in the fantastic in order to belive in Jesus. My .02

[solderz 0]

I don't know why so many people have to beleive in the fantastic in order to belive in Jesus. My .02

Really? Yeah, your right. How come everyone doesnt accept that Jesus raised the dead, turned water into wine (my favorite), that Mary wasn't banged up against the wall by the stable boy and lied to Joseph so he wouldnt drop kick her through the barn wall about a friggin virgin conception.Yeah....easy to believe. Well, poker players, as a whole, are a supersticious lot, so I guess this doesn't surprise me. You might as well be sacrificing chickens to the volcano god.

[DarthTimmanus 0]

edit: I love Kilgore Trout in Timequake. I love Vonnegut and that book is one of my favorites. Kilgore definatly looks at the world different then anyone who is alive!Who could Jesus be if he did not have that fantastic element. I think it would make him just a man. If Jesus did not have the power to raise the dead, then he would not have had the power over Death and Life. If Jesus did not have the power to walk on water, then Jesus could not be over Nature and the world itself. If jesus did not have the Fantastic, then he would just be a Man... Plain and simple. I rely on the Fantastic because the word of God tells me so. Simple faith, not really, I think it is obsurd. It is harder to accept a Christ who walks on water and was Fantastic, then a Messiah who was just a simple man, grounded in Logic. I am fairly familiar with Borg and others from the "Jesus Seminar". While they are doing great things by showing the Man side of Christ. I think it is very important for all Christians to understand that Christ was not only Fully Man, but FULLY God. It is a mystery to be sure. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. The thing that has always distanced me from the Jesus seminar is that they refute the Jesus of the Gospels, make him to be just a man, and try to Know Jesus seperate from the word of God. What is Jesus seperate from the word of God, he is just a human. A man who said he was the True vine. In his day, the Vine was a representation of the Nation of Isreal, Gods chosen people. No man could be an entire nation, its obsurd. If Jesus was not "fantastic" he would have just been Crazy. I for one, would rather have my not very logical, not very reasonable faith, then Borgs Logical and Reasonable faith. So who is Christ? If he was just a man, then everything a Christian believes is a lie. As to the slanted bias in Case for Christ, I agree it does slant one way. Sometimes it is through his prodding, sometimes it is trough the Interviewers response. I mean, he did only seek out those who had studied that there whole life, and believed that there whole life. The case for faith is just as good, but just as slanted. I happened to learn a whole lot from both slants.

[solderz 0]

edit: I love Kilgore Trout in Timequake. I love Vonnegut and that book is one of my favorites. Kilgore definatly looks at the world different then anyone who is alive!Who could Jesus be if he did not have that fantastic element. I think it would make him just a man. If Jesus did not have the power to raise the dead, then he would not have had the power over Death and Life. If Jesus did not have the power to walk on water, then Jesus could not be over Nature and the world itself. If jesus did not have the Fantastic, then he would just be a Man... Plain and simple. I rely on the Fantastic because the word of God tells me so. Simple faith, not really, I think it is obsurd. It is harder to accept a Christ who walks on water and was Fantastic, then a Messiah who was just a simple man, grounded in Logic. I am fairly familiar with Borg and others from the "Jesus Seminar". While they are doing great things by showing the Man side of Christ. I think it is very important for all Christians to understand that Christ was not only Fully Man, but FULLY God. It is a mystery to be sure. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. The thing that has always distanced me from the Jesus seminar is that they refute the Jesus of the Gospels, make him to be just a man, and try to Know Jesus seperate from the word of God. What is Jesus seperate from the word of God, he is just a human. A man who said he was the True vine. In his day, the Vine was a representation of the Nation of Isreal, Gods chosen people. No man could be an entire nation, its obsurd. If Jesus was not "fantastic" he would have just been Crazy. I for one, would rather have my not very logical, not very reasonable faith, then Borgs Logical and Reasonable faith. So who is Christ? If he was just a man, then everything a Christian believes is a lie. As to the slanted bias in Case for Christ, I agree it does slant one way. Sometimes it is through his prodding, sometimes it is trough the Interviewers response. I mean, he did only seek out those who had studied that there whole life, and believed that there whole life. The case for faith is just as good, but just as slanted. I happened to lean a whole lot from both slants.[[/u]

Wow. What year is it? 2005? No friggin way. At least you revel in your superstitions, I guess. I mean, wow. You believe it cause the word of god tells you to? Which one? The severly edited, watered-down bible that we give to starving kids in place of food? or maybe the Koran? or the friggin USA today. All equally the word of god. There is one purpose to religion and one alone. It uses a system of beliefs to attempt to spread a moral and ethical code. Fortunately, this is no longer necessary as morals and ethics propagate on their own in the modern world. In fact, if you rate country's based on the level of religious fundamentalism within it, the country's that have more, have more violence. Religion has become a rationale for all kinds of terrible things (again not surprising when it is a system of belief based upon a fundamental mistake). Long live Man....F God

[LAS22 0]

edit: I love Kilgore Trout in Timequake.  I love Vonnegut and that book is one of my favorites.  Kilgore definatly looks at the world different then anyone who is alive!Who could Jesus be if he did not have that fantastic element.  I think it would make him just a man.  If Jesus did not have the power to raise the dead, then he would not have had the power over Death and Life.  If Jesus did not have the power to walk on water, then Jesus could not be over Nature and the world itself.  If jesus did not have the Fantastic, then he would just be a Man... Plain and simple.    I rely on the Fantastic because the word of God tells me so.   Simple faith, not really, I think it is obsurd.  It is harder to accept a Christ who walks on water and was Fantastic, then a Messiah who was just a simple man, grounded in Logic.  I am fairly familiar with Borg and others from the "Jesus Seminar".  While they are doing great things by showing the Man side of Christ.  I think it is very important for all Christians to understand that Christ was not only Fully Man, but FULLY God.  It is a mystery to be sure.    John 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.  The thing that has always distanced me from the Jesus seminar is that they refute the Jesus of the Gospels, make him to be just a man, and try to Know Jesus seperate from the word of God.  What is Jesus seperate from the word of God, he is just a human.  A man who said he was the True vine.  In his day, the Vine was a representation of the Nation of Isreal, Gods chosen people.  No man could be an entire nation, its obsurd. If Jesus was not "fantastic" he would have just been Crazy. I for one, would rather have my not very logical, not very reasonable faith, then Borgs Logical and Reasonable faith. So who is Christ? If he was just a man, then everything a Christian believes is a lie.    As to the slanted bias in Case for Christ, I agree it does slant one way.  Sometimes it is through his prodding, sometimes it is trough the Interviewers response.  I mean, he did only seek out those who had studied that there whole life, and believed that there whole life.   The case for faith is just as good, but just as slanted. I happened to lean a whole lot from both slants.[[/u]

Wow. What year is it? 2005? No friggin way. At least you revel in your superstitions, I guess. I mean, wow. You believe it cause the word of god tells you to? Which one? The severly edited, watered-down bible that we give to starving kids in place of food? or maybe the Koran? or the friggin USA today. All equally the word of god. There is one purpose to religion and one alone. It uses a system of beliefs to attempt to spread a moral and ethical code. Fortunately, this is no longer necessary as morals and ethics propagate on their own in the modern world. In fact, if you rate country's based on the level of religious fundamentalism within it, the country's that have more, have more violence. Religion has become a rationale for all kinds of terrible things (again not surprising when it is a system of belief based upon a fundamental mistake). Long live Man....F God

The point isn't about reliogion. You are right that a religion is a system of beliefs. Anyone can start a religion and decide that you should worship any object or being. Many of us are talking about a relationship with God.Religion divides vs. relationship with God that unites.Sounds like you've had a bad experience with "church people." I can't stand church people either, but I love God with all of my heart.Just so you know, God created man.

[crowTrobot 2]

The point isn't about reliogion. You are right that a religion is a system of beliefs. Anyone can start a religion and decide that you should worship any object or being. Many of us are talking about a relationship with God.Religion divides vs. relationship with God that unites.

christianity has been extremely divisive since the time of jesus, certainly more than any other belief, so unless you are talking about having a relationship with some sort of "generic" god that has nothing to do with christianity or jesus you are contradicting yourself. i haven't noticed anyone in this thread talking generic. you cannot believe in jesus as the living son of god and the bible as being god's inspired word, and at the same time divorce yourself from any form of christian fundamentalism. if you do you are a hypocrite - might as well write your own bible.