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It seem to me that this Russ guy is a whacko.....He talk with a split toungue and when caught in a dead lie he cant fess up and tries to cover it up with some other BS....Pretty sad dude. And Russ get a new a hair dresser....The "Pee Wee Herman" look is not hot anymore........Also just for everyone who is getting started or even for the seasoned pro's: If you walk into a game and feel uncomfortable with the players/enviroment/staff/ect...DO NOT PLAY THERE --------There are a thousand card rooms around and you have to find one where you can compete fairly. I like to start tables online too...that way there are less chances for collusion. GL ALL!!!!! FerrisBuellr on POKERSTARS & UB
It seems to me that you know nothing about the games/situations/eras which russ is talking about. He has rarely been caught in a lie. his stories have been denied by those involved, but no FACTS have been revealed to prove him wrong. Several of his stories have been corroborated by big name players/major media outlets (see Gardena 82).
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Does cheating happen in the sport of poker?Probably. Does it happen on a regular basis in 'the big game'? I doubt it. I think it's more of a case like the scene in rounders at the Taj. "We're not playing together, but we're not playing against each other" or some such.I think for the regulars in that game, the play is to improve on each other as there's not much 'true' poker being played at any other levels. However if a third person (tourist, fish, et al.) comes into the game, well thier money is welcome. I know sitting with my buddies week after week I know how each of them play fairly intuitivley. Bring on a new person and I'll hone my skills on them for a while just for the challenge, or many times, find out it's not a challenge and just take the money. (Which is why I prefer monopoly now-a-days)I imagine that it's not that different in 'the big game'. A bunch of buddies sitting around week after week playing for more money a hand than what my roll is, but the theory is the same.As for the earlier post about poker being under a microscope, tournament poker is. Cash games get mentioned, but when's the last time you saw it on TV or a web site that keeps running totals of all the major cash games?

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I just know what I read in this threads and you say he RARELY gets caught in lies.....That means he is a LIER...If you lie and dont get caught is it still a lie????Yes. It is true that 25-35 years ago he was correct in the cheating aspect, but did you read what he said about Barry Greenstein - "He hasnt played in the WSOP up untill 2001....dadada...." Right there he is caught RED HANDED LYING!!!Then tries to cover that up with a SHIFTYL QUESTION ...???...????And I ask you, you want to stick up for this guy??? Get a clue and DONT DEFEND LIAR's - And you say that there were no FACTS...the Greenstien comment IS FACT and PROVES he is a LIAR. Get a clue.

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I just know what I read in this threads and you say he RARELY gets caught in lies.....That means he is a LIER...If you lie and dont get caught is it still a lie????Yes. It is true that 25-35 years ago he was correct in the cheating aspect, but did you read what he said about Barry Greenstein - "He hasnt played in the WSOP up untill 2001....dadada...." Right there he is caught RED HANDED LYING!!!Then tries to cover that up with a SHIFTYL QUESTION ...???...????And I ask you, you want to stick up for this guy??? Get a clue and DONT DEFEND LIAR's - And you say that there were no FACTS...the Greenstien comment IS FACT and PROVES he is a LIAR. Get a clue.
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I just know what I read in this threads and you say he RARELY gets caught in lies.....That means he is a LIER...If you lie and dont get caught is it still a lie????Yes. It is true that 25-35 years ago he was correct in the cheating aspect, but did you read what he said about Barry Greenstein - "He hasnt played in the WSOP up untill 2001....dadada...." Right there he is caught RED HANDED LYING!!!Then tries to cover that up with a SHIFTYL QUESTION ...???...????And I ask you, you want to stick up for this guy??? Get a clue and DONT DEFEND LIAR's - And you say that there were no FACTS...the Greenstien comment IS FACT and PROVES he is a LIAR. Get a clue.
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neither does the fact that this point is completely off topic. The Barry Greenstein point was brought up by russ to make a point: Why wouldnt one of the most succesfull cash game players ever play in vegas until recently? WSOP aside, greenstein has not been a regular at the big game at the B, despite having more than enough roll and skill to play it. Its a valid question, and i have yet to see a valid answer. He may have gotten some dates wrong, but the point is an excellent one. The way most people get around having to answer it is by jumping on some random date mixup russ made. like you. Besides that, im not 'defending' russ georgiev. im merely pointing out the naivety of people such as yourself who dismiss his claims based on the innuendo and hearsay of those who have dismissed him before them. You obviously know very little about the scene in LV and CA, and if you did you would take Russ a lot more seriously. There is much truth to at least some of his claims. maybe not all, but if even one is correct theres a reason, in my mind, to hear what he has to say.
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I do know the poker scene fairly well in my area and have been playing poker for 15 years. I also know that there are cheaters and crews of collusionist's. I also know that any cheater is cheater and I do not like them. All I got to say is if you go to a table and sit down, it is your responsibility to know if you are getting set up....If you are a rookie and walk into the back room of a pool hall, and lose all of your money by getting set up, whos fault is it? That said rookie could of gone on-line for a fairly safe game, he could of set up a friendly home game, he could of drove to the thousands of casinos around the country....but no. He chose to play there and has to live with it. If Barry knew that the "big game" was a set up, he was very smart not to play there. All I got to say is show me some concrete proof. all this guy does is back stab people, and tell storys from the old days....and another question how come this Russ guy never played in the WSOP.? If he is such a roller, why not try the biggest tounys(I know the cash side games are his thing......). I am sorry I dont mean to be rude but I do not like dis-honest people and have learned over the years that liars/cheaters can never bee trusted with anything and once some has lied/cheated so much he word means nothing to me. GL at the tables!!!!

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I do know the poker scene fairly well in my area and have been playing poker for 15 years. I also know that there are cheaters and crews of collusionist's. I also know that any cheater is cheater and I do not like them. All I got to say is if you go to a table and sit down, it is your responsibility to know if you are getting set up....If you are a rookie and walk into the back room of a pool hall, and lose all of your money by getting set up, whos fault is it? That said rookie could of gone on-line for a fairly safe game, he could of set up a friendly home game, he could of drove to the thousands of casinos around the country....but no. He chose to play there and has to live with it. If Barry knew that the "big game" was a set up, he was very smart not to play there. All I got to say is show me some concrete proof. all this guy does is back stab people, and tell storys from the old days....and another question how come this Russ guy never played in the WSOP.? If he is such a roller, why not try the biggest tounys(I know the cash side games are his thing......). I am sorry I dont mean to be rude but I do not like dis-honest people and have learned over the years that liars/cheaters can never bee trusted with anything and once some has lied/cheated so much he word means nothing to me. GL at the tables!!!!
point 1: colluders, not collusionists. point 2: All I got to say is if you go to a table and sit down, it is your responsibility to know if you are getting set up....what a ridiculous statement. the games at Gardena (a big established and regulated cardroom in LA were cheated in the 80s. Dealers, floormen, supes, pit bosses were all on the take. Dealers were carrying slugs, slipping in colddecks, tipping off cheating rings to juicy games, floormen were saving seats for cheaters in said juicy games. Packs of colluders were helped by the staff. how the hell should a rookie be able to spot this.point 3: That said rookie could of gone on-line for a fairly safe game,you are deluding yourself if you believe there is little or no collusion online. online poker makes collusion 10 times easier than live poker. point 4: and another question how come this Russ guy never played in the WSOP.?why would he. tournaments are a ripoff. the juice is astronomical and the fields are insanely large. That, and a good pack of cheaters could take a couple hundred thousand out of a 400-800 game in a few hours, why would they play a tournament which would be much harder to cheat, for only a marginally bigger payoff, and much larger risk?Point 5: I am sorry I dont mean to be rude but I do not like dis-honest people and have learned over the years that liars/cheaters can never bee trusted with anything and once some has lied/cheated so much he word means nothing to me.you are going to have a hard time believing there is any cheating then. how else would you find out, except from a cheater? if someone who was cheated made the claim, you would ask for proof. if someone had proof, you would say they are a cheater and a liar, and that the claims are therefore lies. sort of a catch 22 there...
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Im sure it would be easy to interpret the way those guys play as cheating, guys like Berman, Reese, Doyle and Bobby Baldwin have been playing poker with each other for like 30 years, i dont think they are gonna surprise each other very often, so of course they are gonna try to feast on the new blood.

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Here is a new thread I found....Geez that Russ guy is as honest as a used car salesman....When did he become wealthy? 10 years ago he was playing $40-$80. He's>probably wealthy now since he been cheating in the biggest games in the>poker world for the last few years.Yesterday you said that Barry doesn't cheat and that's why he wouldn'tplay in Vegas.You need to keep your lies straight. I'll create a database for youfor $100O0n 14 Feb 2005 12:15:37 -0800, "RussGeorgiev@aol.com"<RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote:>When did he become wealthy? 10 years ago he was playing $40-$80. He's>probably wealthy now since he been cheating in the biggest games in the>poker world for the last few years.Yesterday you said that Barry doesn't cheat and that's why he wouldn'tplay in Vegas00. -

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This guy is a first class scam artist....I heard to you can get free food at the dumpster behind the Crispy Creme shop on Virginia too!! Woohoo!!What a dirtbag this guy is. Good for you buddy, you scam a free ticket. If you had a real job/carreer maybe you would have too worry about scamming....once agSubject: OT GCA "Flying Free" Sent: Feb 12 2005 11:04 PM Author: RussGeorgiev@aol.com (RussGeorgiev@aol.com) Post Options: Hide View: Normal | Header | Full Thread I am a person who flys fairly often. About three years ago, I realizeda scam existed where I could fly whenever I wanted for basically free.Just as any person would fly if they purchased a ticket.The scam is really not a scam at all, but lack of intelligence onsomeones part, as nothing you do is even remotely against the law. Imean NOTHING. Spending an average of 30 minutes a month, enables me tofly anywhere I like about 4 times a year. If I wanted to fly moreoften, I would need to spend and hour a month.When the people finally realize the great mistake they have made, Iwill let you know how I did this. But as this is still going strongly,I'll continue to fly for free.And the answer is YES, I figured this out all by myself again. By theway, there are many other scams I use that make money, that are totallylegit.Russ Georgievwww.pokermafia.comain, once a liar/dirtbag, allways a dirtbag....this guy is unreal.

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Russ is in the middle of all of this since he was one of those ringers at Gardena I think in the early 80s. The problem with Russ is that some of the stuff he says is so out ther that it covers up the truth he might be saying. He says so many things that are far out that when he does say things that might be spot on no one believes him. I wouldn't be shcoked at some of his claims as guys like Doyle have been around for a long time. What I find interesting is that some of the holding down claims didn't happen to Chip Reese and Danny Robinson when they cam to town back in the early 70s( did Danny and Chip collud with each other?). I think that there is validiy somewhere in all of this mess, I just don't know where it is

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I don't think anyone disputes that there was cheating in Gardena, they dispute his overt claims weekly about another pro being a cheat, he has no proof on the majority of his claims, and doesn't offer any when cornered.to the person that said prove him wrong, try that in a court room. He is slandering poker professionals by calling them cheaters I do belive the burden of proff falls squarely on his shoulders.

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You need to keep your lies straight. I'll create a database for you for $100O0 n 14 Feb 2005 12:15:37 -0800, "RussGeorgiev@aol.com" <RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote: >When did he become wealthy? 10 years ago he was playing $40-$80. He's >probably wealthy now since he been cheating in the biggest games in the >poker world for the last few years. Yesterday you said that Barry doesn't cheat and that's why he wouldn't play in Vegas00. -First of all, its helpful to your credibility if you post where we can find these emails, as opposed to just their text. second of all, i never said barry doesnt cheat. i said barry knew the big game was being cheated. You need to keep your wild accusations straight. ill create a database for you for $10000. This guy is a first class scam artist....I heard to you can get free food at the dumpster behind the Crispy Creme shop on Virginia too!! Woohoo!!What a dirtbag this guy is. Good for you buddy, you scam a free ticket. If you had a real job/carreer maybe you would have too worry about scamming....oncehe is a first class scam artist. he admits it. whats your point? do you pay for airline tickets? i bet you do. to the person that said prove him wrong, try that in a court room. He is slandering poker professionals by calling them cheaters I do belive the burden of proff falls squarely on his shoulders.better check up on your legal knowledge. When accusing someone of slander, the burden of proof falls squarely on the shoulders of the plaintiff to prove that the comments in question were indeed false and therefore slanderous. But this should be easy enough to do, if the accusations were so blatantly false. One idea is that the professionals in question have no desire to bring this issue into a courtroom as this would provide a notarized venue in which the evidence of cheating could be exposed. Further, Russ is in no legal danger as cheating at poker, on the face of it, is not contrary to any US law.

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I just know what I read in this threads and you say he RARELY gets caught in lies.....That means he is a LIER...If you lie and dont get caught is it still a lie????Yes. It is true that 25-35 years ago he was correct in the cheating aspect, but did you read what he said about Barry Greenstein - "He hasnt played in the WSOP up untill 2001....dadada...." Right there he is caught RED HANDED LYING!!!Then tries to cover that up with a SHIFTYL QUESTION ...???...????And I ask you, you want to stick up for this guy??? Get a clue and DONT DEFEND LIAR's - And you say that there were no FACTS...the Greenstien comment IS FACT and PROVES he is a LIAR. Get a clue.
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to the person that said prove him wrong, try that in a court room. He is slandering poker professionals by calling them cheaters I do belive the burden of proff falls squarely on his shoulders.better check up on your legal knowledge. When accusing someone of slander, the burden of proof falls squarely on the shoulders of the plaintiff to prove that the comments in question were indeed false and therefore slanderous. But this should be easy enough to do, if the accusations were so blatantly false. One idea is that the professionals in question have no desire to bring this issue into a courtroom as this would provide a notarized venue in which the evidence of cheating could be exposed. Further, Russ is in no legal danger as cheating at poker, on the face of it, is not contrary to any US law.
Russ is an idiot conspiracy theorist whos convinced the whole world is cheating because he couldn't win without it.( I stand corrected this is libel not slander)p.s. they never landed on the moon either it was all a hoax.
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Boy you guys sure get worked up over the obvious. It's a matter of court record that there were crooked dealers/players in Vegas through the 80's, although the place was fairly honest earlier when managed through the Meyer Lansky-partners ( management ended when Frank Costello was shot and found with the records from Tropicana in his pocket). The cheating by the Chicigo guys who took over ( Tony Spilatro's crew- card workers) hurt till the corporations were able to own casinos. Now the only cheating reported to me by a number of regular cash game players is there are some "card benders" that shoot for and edge in some mid-limit games. The subtle card marking is very well know by Casinos--it costs them a lot of money to change decks due to these idiots--so they do really look out for them. Have there been some big games where whales were given a cold deck? I've heard some rumers about a certain 2 older players over and over, but never any documented real evidence.

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I dont know....the whole thing of having special contacts/glasses to read marked cards is scary and I am thankful for learing that....Is there any way to detect these cards?????Black light, Infa-red, polozarized glasss.....please let me know if you know....thanks.

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Off point , but you can't prove a negative....I.E. U can't prove u have never slept with a goat.................Also, Doyle is a public figure and the burden of proof for libel/slander is therefore substantially higher...

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No infra-red or other exotic marked cards. All they do is put a small crimp or bend in the face cards (or A's/ low cards in high low) with a sharp gold ring on their hand. People try the same thing on blackjack to know what the dealers whole card is--so casinos are fairly good at least keeping it to a minimum. It's just a pain to change decks. The cheating in the 80's was done with dealers. As everyone knows, there are plenty around (including out of work magicians) that can literally deal any card or hand you want--they're called mechanics and it's called a cold deck. Again, after the Gardena stuff and the end of Mob influenced management in Vegas, bad dealers don't last long. Do people still mark cards while they play, and are there still teams with signals?--of course, just be careful, and they will get caught and banned.

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I know about the card benders (helmets in my book)... But in some of the posts made by that Russ G guy, he said that there were treatments put on cards, and if you had a special pair of contacts/glasses, you could make out a card number and suit....I was just wondering if that was detectable.....black light???LMK please. Ferris.

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First of all, its helpful to your credibility if you post where we can find these emails, as opposed to just their text. second of all, i never said barry doesnt cheat. i said barry knew the big game was being cheated. You need to keep your wild accusations straight. ill create a database for you for $10000.
Try this on for size:http://tinyurl.com/4jahbThis Russ guy is a first class mental case and complete nut job.Some of what he says MAY be true but most of what he says is just looney. See KDawg's post for what that says about him.
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